Thread: The New Republic of Texas?

Wullie, you're probably very right; the succession movement will likely be a flash in the pan. For the sake of argument, we'll assume that the election numbers are accurate and on the up and up (I know, just suspend disbelief for a minute). If the election numbers are to be believed we're at about a 50/50 split so half of the electorate was displeased with the direction of the country. Unfortunately our next chance to do anything about that will be in 2016. All that aside, I think this whole succession movement is much more symbolic than it ever would be practical.

As for the American Civil War, Bruno's observations are spot on. Americans by and large have, for a variety of reasons, been sold armed conflict in the modern age as an antiseptic, video game type affair. The American Civil War was completely and totally the opposite. Over 500,000 people were killed, of those 200,000+ were KIA. Figures for folks wounded who in many cases lost limbs, permanently dismembered, etc. are also north of 300,000. What is even more shocking was the fact that this war only lasted for FOUR years. Truly brutality on a scale that most modern folks can't even wrap their brain cells around. The disparity between those Killed in Action and total deaths should be a hint that civilians (in many cases old people, women and children) were as in the thick of the war as the soldiers. The one advantage that the U.S. has enjoyed in every war since was distance. Combat losses in both world wars were ghastly, no doubt but back, on the home front American civilians basically lived their daily lives much the same as they had before the war. Not so for our European counterparts.

i personillay belive that texas wont end up seperated but i think it may send a message that we the people( all the working men and women.) want change. and hpefully it dosent fall on deaf ears

Originally Posted by Wullie

So what if the big federal gov't picked up it's shingle and left. I'm reasonably certain that this state could provide an atmosphere conducive to drawing business into it if for nothing else than for those businesses to get out from under the oh so loving and restrictive FEDERAL umbrella of regulations and taxes.

The problem is that you are presuming a scenario in which everybody happily lets Texas to become its own country, while retaining all the benefits from being part of the U.S.A.
But, that's far from given. A separate country means they need to take care of the citizenship, the borders, start using their own currency, negotiate the relationship with any other country they want to have a relationship with.
If the union decides to treat Texas the way it treats Cuba, Texas would be faced with huge structural changes to their economy. Trade war is nothing close to real war, but it can still be very very painful.

Just think for a second - the whole world is going towards more integration, not less. May be you think Texas will be better off going in the opposite direction of history, but I don't see how any reasoning can support it.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The man that should have been President

No way, people like ideological purity only as an idea when it doesn't cost anything. (The same reason for all this chatter about an imaginary war.)

When the choice involves a sizable pay cut, the vast majority of people don't really mind keeping a healthy dose of capitalism/socialism/nepotsism/etc.

Originally Posted by gugi

The problem is that you are presuming a scenario in which everybody happily lets Texas to become its own country, while retaining all the benefits from being part of the U.S.A.
But, that's far from given. A separate country means they need to take care of the citizenship, the borders, start using their own currency, negotiate the relationship with any other country they want to have a relationship with.
If the union decides to treat Texas the way it treats Cuba, Texas would be faced with huge structural changes to their economy. Trade war is nothing close to real war, but it can still be very very painful.

Just think for a second - the whole world is going towards more integration, not less. May be you think Texas will be better off going in the opposite direction of history, but I don't see how any reasoning can support it.

Just as I assume one possibility, you assume another. I've thought of what you mentioned.

What would it accomplish to treat another new country as we have Cuba for the last 50 years?

You remind me of Moriarty in KELLY'S HERO'S.


I guess you're just our little ray of sunshine.

Negative Waves

I get a kick out of the fact that the dude who's pushing to stop all the "negative waves" is a Canuck lol.

Man that was a crazy movie lol!