Thread: Pondering......

Originally Posted by earcutter

Bah - Mexico is rife with corruption and the rule of law is gone! Can't compare!

BUT:

Were the rule of law to ever leave the US... sure would be nice to have a gun or guns... you know lol?

Were they corrupt before or after they disarmed the general law abiding population???

Originally Posted by scap99

I would wager that most crime is premeditated vs spontaneous and the disposition of the guns availability has little to do with it.

I disagree. You Just dont like the Ideal that you would have to lock up your fire arms. Its coming and i would make that wager.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

I disagree. You Just dont like the Ideal that you would have to lock up your fire arms. Its coming and i would make that wager.

How does locking them up prevent spontaneous crime? Or is that just a way of making all gun crime premeditated?

I, truly, believe that most crime, committed with a firearm, is because someone made a prior conscience decision to grab a gun and use it to forcibly take someone's property and/or life.

Originally Posted by Costabro

I retracted the statement after considering the fact that it is just as cowardly to challenge a man's character without leaving him the ability of proving otherwise outside of anonimous chat.

My original comment was for the hypothetical situation you presented and therefore was hypothetical in it's direction. Yes, sir. I consider it cowardly to bang on a woman's car and threaten her. Yes, I've yelled at other drivers, women included. But never, would I approach a women's vehicle and present such an imposing posture as to surely cause her fear of personal harm. I'm willing to bet you wouldn't have done that if a man were driving. Then again, I inferred that your arguement was that if it'd happened in the UK, you might. And, in that case, you probably wouldn't have had a problem......see the previous comments on 'sheeple'.

In the state of Oklahoma, you might have been shot...hypothetically. I know this is the point you were making. Here is mine.

Had that been my wife and some nut approached her screaming and banging on the car (no matter what she did), I'd have advocated her defending herself with a firearm any day of the week. And if that same nut had bled out in Wal-mart's parking lot, so be it.

If your wife nearly took out a family she deserves what she gets. If somebody is driving like a moron ... it is right and proper they get told so. I would do exactly the same thing man/woman, white/black/asian/whatever. Act like an moron and I will treat you like one. I only wish a cop would have seen what she did, because I am certain she would have a fine right now.

If you think that the guy who bangs on a car to get someones attention is a nut, then you are a little too sensitive.


If you advocate that somebody can behave in a dangerous fashion, and nobody can point that out, then you can't be helped. What I was talking about was banging to get her attention ... then telling her she needs to be careful.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

If your wife nearly took out a family she deserves what she gets. If somebody is driving like a moron ... it is right and proper they get told so. I would do exactly the same thing man/woman, white/black/asian/whatever. Act like an moron and I will treat you like one. I only wish a cop would have seen what she did, because I am certain she would have a fine right now.

If you think that the guy who bangs on a car to get someones attention is a nut, then you are a little too sensitive.


If you advocate that somebody can behave in a dangerous fashion, and nobody can point that out, then you can't be helped. What I was talking about was banging to get her attention ... then telling her she needs to be careful.

So let's extrapolate Carl...

If somebody acts with deadly intent then they deserve what they get Right ???? I do believe that is what you are advocating here...

BTW if you bang on somebody's car you are the one who will probably end up in cuffs also your earlier posts would have led everyone to believe that you should have stayed calm and notified the police, which they would have responded immediatly to your location to write her a Ticket for Reckless Endangerment

Always remember when Seconds count, the Police are Minutes away

Originally Posted by scap99

How does locking them up prevent spontaneous crime? Or is that just a way of making all gun crime premeditated?

I, truly, believe that most crime, committed with a firearm, is because someone made a prior conscience decision to grab a gun and use it to forcibly take someone's property and/or life.

I live in Canada and do not think our criminals lock up their guns between outings. I would guess most of the notorious shootings in the Toronto and Vancouver areas were not spur of the moment shootings but the shooters deliberately set out to to do damage. Locking a legally owned gun up may make it a little more difficult to use it in a domestic situation or suicide attempt and may force the person to use other means to cause injury to themselves or others. As far as I know suicide has not been a crime in Canada for quite awhile. It may be sad and deplorable but not a criminal act no matter how it is done. It may also limit access of children to firearms and reduce accidental discharges. No the locking up of guns has little effect on the deliberate misuse of guns by criminals as they are already outside the law.

Bob

Originally Posted by gssixgun

So let's extrapolate Carl...

If somebody acts with deadly intent then they deserve what they get Right ???? I do believe that is what you are advocating here...

BTW if you bang on somebody's car you are the one who will probably end up in cuffs also your earlier posts would have led everyone to believe that you should have stayed calm and notified the police, which they would have responded immediatly to your location to write her a Ticket for Reckless Endangerment

Always remember when Seconds count, the Police are Minutes away

BAH HUMBUG

I am usually a cool cumber. When I say deserves what she gets ... I mean a telling off, it does read rather sinister!! Doesn't it say something about society that somebody can commit reckless endangerment and I would end up in cuffs? No citizens arrest here?

My wife told me I could have been arrested for banging on her car and I was dumfounded. Totally dumfounded.

Honestly if I were in the UK I would have called the police. Here I know I would have been waiting there for a hour or so and then nothing would have happened.

Originally Posted by scap99

How does locking them up prevent spontaneous crime? Or is that just a way of making all gun crime premeditated?

I, truly, believe that most crime, committed with a firearm, is because someone made a prior conscience decision to grab a gun and use it to forcibly take someone's property and/or life.

Then you would be wrong...

I read a whole study/case report on that - I'll try and dig it up.

Originally Posted by scap99

How does locking them up prevent spontaneous crime? Or is that just a way of making all gun crime premeditated?

Yes. If your fire arm is in gun safe with a trigger lock and your ammo is stored else ware locked up, your damn right its premeditated.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

BAH HUMBUG :P

I am usually a cool cumber. When I say deserves what she gets ... I mean a telling off. Doesn't it say something about society that somebody can commit reckless endangerment and I would end up in cuffs? No citizens arrest here?

In the absolute parameters of the law yes, but I would not try that, you might get charged with Kidnapping (there is another lesser charge too ???? detainment) You can get her plate number and call the cops then sign a complaint...

You might wonder how I know of these charges ???? We had to be very careful when detaining somebody who had been in a fight in the Clubs to wait for the police to arrive and press charges... We found out that we had to be very careful about holding those people several times depending on the officer who showed up they would try and charge my Bouncers too