Thread: Pondering......

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Be it a gun (today) or a sword (yesteryears) it is deeply ingrained in many American's psyche that without the 2nd Amendment we become Subjects it really doesn't make any difference whether it is true or not...

Thanks. I think this is what it really boils down to. Regardless of whether it is true or not, this (and the idea that violence is not a bad solution) is the difference between Europe and the US.

It's a bit like the witch hunts of the olden days. It doesn't matter that people couldn't fly around on broomsticks. The only thing that mattered (from a practical pov) is that people believed you could. The belief that it was possible, was real and ingrained in society and influenced many things.

Originally Posted by Bruno

(and the idea that violence is not a bad solution)

Not quite,,, but close

Most, and I say that cautiously, Americans believe that Violence is an option, might be a bad option, or a last restort but we don't eliminate it as an option...

We as a whole reserve the right to self defense, in fact our laws back it up, look at some of our laws "Stand your Ground" "Make my Day" "The Castle Law" all these are written to protect the act of Violent Self-Defense in many of our States..

The other thing that is rather hard for non-Americans to understand is the differences between our States too, look at the differences with Firearm laws between the seperate states...

Connecticut where this last shooting happened has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the 50 states, yet all those laws did nothing to stop this, the last number I heard was that this shooter broke 41 laws in CT before he actually shot anyone...

I agree that it would make sense to have an off-duty policemen on most school campuses.

They could have other duties such as community relations or teaching social studies. In other words it doesn't have to be sitting around watching a monitor waiting for the 1 in a million crazy guy to come by.

On the issue of looking at laws and gun usage...I think (just my personal opinion) that it's a good idea but it shouldn't be done primarily in reaction to school shootings.

It's either a good idea to prevent some abuses or it's not. The argument doesn't need to be whether another law would have prevented this last school shooting.

If there are laws that apply to gun shops that don't apply to gun shows then either change them for the gun shops or change them to include the gun shows.

If there is enough evidence/studies/persuasive arguments to convince decision makers that it's worth trying to reduce guns in general in our society or in certain cases then there is nothing wrong with considering that.

The conversation shouldn't be about there being no laws because criminals wouldn't follow them anyway.

That logic would apply to any and all laws regarding of subject matter.

I see guns being about protecting your house and with concealed carry in specific cases. I have no problem with most of the laws or lack thereof currently but I think an intelligent look around the periphery makes sense.

I think when everyone is armed all the time violence probably does go up. If all home owners are armed burglary (while people are home) probably goes down.

Originally Posted by gcbryan

If there are laws that apply to gun shops that don't apply to gun shows then either change them for the gun shops or change them to include the gun shows.

This is media hype...

All FFL dealers HAVE to do a BATF form and have to follow the laws for their state... I have never lived in a state where a Gun show allowed the sale of a firearm from a booth without an FFL... I have only lived in very firearm friendly states

What is not covered in a gun show or anywhere else is a private sale.... BUT any responsible gun owner does the Form anyway when they sell the gun and gets ID, I never did it for Criminal activity per se I did it for protection from Civil Liability, anytime I sold a weapon... Even if I sold the weapon to a good friend I still had them fill out the form, and a Bill of sale accepting the firearm in good working condition and accepting all responsibilities after the sale...

But then again I am a responsible gun owner...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

But then again I am a responsible gun owner...

Amen to that. .....