Thread: Pondering......

Originally Posted by gcbryan

If there are laws that apply to gun shops that don't apply to gun shows then either change them for the gun shops or change them to include the gun shows.

This is media hype...

All FFL dealers HAVE to do a BATF form and have to follow the laws for their state... I have never lived in a state where a Gun show allowed the sale of a firearm from a booth without an FFL... I have only lived in very firearm friendly states

What is not covered in a gun show or anywhere else is a private sale.... BUT any responsible gun owner does the Form anyway when they sell the gun and gets ID, I never did it for Criminal activity per se I did it for protection from Civil Liability, anytime I sold a weapon... Even if I sold the weapon to a good friend I still had them fill out the form, and a Bill of sale accepting the firearm in good working condition and accepting all responsibilities after the sale...

But then again I am a responsible gun owner...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

But then again I am a responsible gun owner...

Amen to that. .....

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I've not read anything except the OP in this thread and so that is what I am responding to here.

It is my belief that violence begets violence. It is also my belief that defeating violence with another kind of violence is still just violence.

Arming teachers and principals at primary schools is certainly one way to go about "protecting" children while at school. However, is this really the kind of society you want to create in the US? One based on mutual fear? Or perhaps you are already at that point, and are now just owning up to it?

Did you know that teachers (of all kinds: primary, secondary, tertiary and miscellaneous) as a group suffer extremely high levels of stress and related mental health issues? Would you implement 3-monthly psych evaluations to assess whether they should still be allowed to have a gun? How would your idea go down if even one teacher blew a fuse and mowed down their class-room with the gun issued to them for the purpose of protecting that class room?

And what do you do if an educator, based on their principles, refuses to accept a gun? I would. Do you then sack them? Will it be part of the job contract? Will shooting practice need to be incorporated into University degrees for teachers? Will professional development days for your child's teacher be spent at the shooting range?

It's your country and you can do what you want with it. But I surely hope that, for the sake of your children, more pondering is taking place because to my mind this is an ill-conceived, hasty, and potentially disastrous suggestion that would do tremendous damage to the mind set of Americans and their poor children.

James.

Some types of people only understand violence. If that is what it takes to keep them from being violent towards me , so be it. I can flip an internal switch and go full rage mode without much provocation when/if needed.

Nobody is saying to forcibly arm a teacher, but as a citizen why are they denied the right to defend themselves the moment they get out of the car?

"Think of the children" is a liberal mantra.
I find it to be hollow and meaningless, because it's used like the race card. Seems it only applies when the progressives/liberals want to restrict us further.

Originally Posted by Pithor

Thank you!

That and abuse by adding conclusions and suggesting causal relationships seems more rule than exception, at least in popular media. I tend to take (most) statistics with a huge grain of salt. Methodology for gathering information, study and interpretation is key. I take ALL people using statistics in an argumentative discussion with a huge grain of salt. Just because you can rattle off statistics by heart that SEEM to speak in your advantage (plus a personal conclusion) doesn't necessarily mean you know how to make a well argued point.

"Just look at the facts", followed by a bunch of naked statistics just makes my brain hurt.

83% of statistics are made up on the spot. Lol

9 times outta ten that's true....just sayin.

Originally Posted by gugi

But these two arguments are mutually exclusive

That would argue that Europe has had a bit too much violence, and despite all the guns US hasn't had enough yet. May be another war over guns? I have a hunch it would be won by those with the bigger guns, which won't be the liberals. Unless the liberals who have much fewer private guns happen to be in charge of the government ones. I think I've already heard this somewhere

Most in the military are conservatives from the south. So the libs only have the UN foreign soldiers if they wanted to get froggy.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

But it is less likely for a person to just grab the fire arm and commit a crime.

I would wager that most crime is premeditated vs spontaneous and the disposition of the guns availability has little to do with it.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

This is media hype...

All FFL dealers HAVE to do a BATF form and have to follow the laws for their state... I have never lived in a state where a Gun show allowed the sale of a firearm from a booth without an FFL... I have only lived in very firearm friendly states

What is not covered in a gun show or anywhere else is a private sale.... BUT any responsible gun owner does the Form anyway when they sell the gun and gets ID, I never did it for Criminal activity per se I did it for protection from Civil Liability, anytime I sold a weapon... Even if I sold the weapon to a good friend I still had them fill out the form, and a Bill of sale accepting the firearm in good working condition and accepting all responsibilities after the sale...

But then again I am a responsible gun owner...

Private collectors can and do rent tables at Texas gun shows. No 4473's need to be completed for private transactions.

Bills of sale are completely worthless and there is no requirement whatsoever for one.

It's no different than you selling me a tv or hammer.

Originally Posted by Nightblade

9 times outta ten that's true....just sayin.

...I believe my facts are accurate - Sheila Jackson Lee

Here are some interesting stats Firearms and Violent Crime to show you what very restrictive gun regulations get you. They are a little stale but I don't think there have been huge changes. Seems as regulations tightened up the use of knives and other cutting devices increased to the point where it is now a 50/50 proposition on whether you will be shot or knifed here in a crime of violence. Anyway it is not all roses.

Bob