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    Quote Originally Posted by earcutter View Post
    Yeah - I can't spell lol.

    I wouldn't call what's going on in the mid east alive and well Wullie.

    Remember too that in most cases of civil war today - everyone is playing by crazy rules. Rules that would never take place in America for years to come. Imposing no-fly zones, is a serious disadvantage.
    Rules in warfare? What a concept. WE always play by the rules whilst the other does too? BS! The Geneva Convention rules were "sort of" adhered to by the Americans and Europeans but basically ignored by the Japanese in WWII.

    Do you think that the swarthy sons of the desert give a rat's rear end about RULES? THE only rule they have is to do whatever it takes to be the last man standing.

    David, you make some broad assumptions and I TRULY hope you are correct in saying that such things will never happen here.

    All I have to say about that is that if the balloon goes up and society breaks down, there won't be any rules and if you expect to survive any length of time, you'd best be prepared to play dirty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wullie View Post
    Rules in warfare? What a concept. WE always play by the rules whilst the other does too? BS! The Geneva Convention rules were "sort of" adhered to by the Americans and Europeans but basically ignored by the Japanese in WWII.

    Do you think that the swarthy sons of the desert give a rat's rear end about RULES? THE only rule they have is to do whatever it takes to be the last man standing.

    David, you make some broad assumptions and I TRULY hope you are correct in saying that such things will never happen here.

    All I have to say about that is that if the balloon goes up and society breaks down, there won't be any rules and if you expect to survive any length of time, you'd best be prepared to play dirty.

    Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.


    Ok Wullie - you tell me who's going to come in and enforce a no fly zone in America if said balloon goes up in America? You convince me that America will let in peace keepers from another nation. Tell me, who's going to arm American Civilians with tanks, stinger missiles, and the like?

    Moreover, even if America didn't fund it's military for years to come, any country seeking the wrath of America in a time of civil turmoil is taking a massive risk at facing annihilation. Those rules I spoke of - will all be thrown out of the window if America truly feels she's fighting for her life.

    Hence, the thing you are preparing for in my opinion - will see your little pop-gun rendered useless by a tank or an Apache as you place it on the ground in surrender... if you are still alive.

    I am sorry Wullie if what I say seems like broad assumptions. Seriously I am. I actually would like to think they are well thought out. It's kind of like building a bunker to survive a nuclear attack. Even if you did survive... is being a sardine and living in a tin can for ten years only to come out of it to a destroyed planet really worth it?

    I don't care to debate if the US army will flatten your or anyone's behind were you to come at them with your gun. You feel free to live with your assumptions, and I'll live with mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by earcutter View Post
    Ok Wullie - you tell me who's going to come in and enforce a no fly zone in America if said balloon goes up in America? You convince me that America will let in peace keepers from another nation. Tell me, who's going to arm American Civilians with tanks, stinger missiles, and the like?

    Moreover, even if America didn't fund it's military for years to come, any country seeking the wrath of America in a time of civil turmoil is taking a massive risk at facing annihilation. Those rules I spoke of - will all be thrown out of the window if America truly feels she's fighting for her life.

    Hence, the thing you are preparing for in my opinion - will see your little pop-gun rendered useless by a tank or an Apache as you place it on the ground in surrender... if you are still alive.

    I am sorry Wullie if what I say seems like broad assumptions. Seriously I am. I actually would like to think they are well thought out. It's kind of like building a bunker to survive a nuclear attack. Even if you did survive... is being a sardine and living in a tin can for ten years only to come out of it to a destroyed planet really worth it?

    I don't care to debate if the US army will flatten your or anyone's behind were you to come at them with your gun. You feel free to live with your assumptions, and I'll live with mine.

    David, I don't assume anything. I've seen the worst side of things. I know what can happen. I've seen what our military was capable of in Viet Nam and I'm very well aware of the tremendous advancements with respect to the technology of rendering people incapable of processing oxygen that have evolved in the 40 years since that mess.

    I also know that my "pop gun" is useless against a lot of things. However, it isn't totally useless unless I let it be. IF and I hope it NEVER happens, the time comes, they can have it when I'm done with it.

    I expect the barrel will be hot when they pick it up.
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    One major flaw in the vid is that it claims Ozzies have a right to bare arms. I don't think that they ever had that right in their constitution. You can't loose a right you never had.

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    ‎"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton
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    I remember this tragedy and the senselessness of it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    @Carl

    Here is a link for you I have not checked the numbers against Law Enforcement numbers but then again you said those were not right either

    The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online
    LOL I never read the Mail, I used to ... but I ended up frustrated with their anti-liberal rhetoric. They are an extremist newspaper aimed at making the UK Right wing again. The newspaper is owned by Jonathan Harmsworth who is extreme right wing, the company even went so far as to create a free newspaper for the commuters on their way to work. In this newspaper it is aimed at the working class, and spouts against the left UK. I believe that there are a lot more reported violent crimes in the UK than a lot of places ... You saw my attitude when we discussed violent crime in the past. Call the cops ... from what I understand unless somebody was hurt most people in the rest of the world wouldn't bother.

    "General definitions of violence
    The term ‘violence’ does not have a standard, fixed definition. Notions of
    what constitutes violence can vary not only between different societies, but
    also between different groups within the same society at different times and
    in different contexts."

    The fact that the UK has a much lower poverty rate (http://www.gwu.edu/~gwipp/CompPovUSUK.pdf) means more crimes will be reported, especially violent crimes, since what constitutes violence often coincides with social class. It is definitely an interesting point to ponder .
    Whilst at University we covered what constitutes illness throughout the classes and that varies WILDLY too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gssixgun View Post
    @Carl

    Here is a link for you I have not checked the numbers against Law Enforcement numbers but then again you said those were not right either

    The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online
    I'm glad to know that THE MAIL is "right wing". I'd have had a hard time recognizing that fact had I not been informed. It did bring up a question in my mind so I did some digging around. THE MAIL stated;
    South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.
    So I thought, that South Africa must be like the popularized version of our old wild west. I have no idea what percentage of that 20K is related to firearms.

    Interestingly enough, South Africa's gun laws are VERY restrictive.
    Guns in South Africa: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law

    Judging by the high death count, it seems they're working well at keeping the murder rate down. NOT.

    EDIT: Gun death stats;
    In South Africa, annual firearm homicides total

    2007: 8,3199
    2006: 9,063
    2005: 8,597
    2004: 9,021
    2003: 9,714
    2002: 10,130
    2001: 10,274
    2000: 10,727
    1999: 11,212
    1998: 12,413
    1997: 11,166
    1996: 11,258
    1995: 11,154
    1994: 11,13410
    CompareRate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People
    ChartIn South Africa, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is

    2007: 17.09
    2006: 18.8
    2005: 18.0
    2004: 19.1
    2003: 20.8
    2002: 22.0
    2001: 22.6
    2000: 24.0
    1999: 25.4
    1998: 28.5
    1997: 26.0
    1996: 26.7
    1995: 26.9
    The numbers are a bit dated but there does seem to a slight decline over the years.
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