Thread: The Constitution?

Originally Posted by gugi

Sure, but I haven't voted for over a decade. I have more productive ways to spend my time.

Like what Gugi, SRP Admin?

Originally Posted by JohnnyCakeDC

Like what Gugi, SRP Admin?

Yes, that would be one example. This site doesn't work magically all by itself, it requires a certain degree of active management. I'm sure you've noticed it on the few occasions when it has been down, but to keep it running there is a lot more work that you never see.

Originally Posted by JohnnyCakeDC

Like what Gugi, SRP Admin?

Firstly, I am proud of the gentlemanly conduct in this thread . I don't think SRP's admin has anything to do with anything regarding politics. I will absorb JohnnyCakeDC's comment. In my country, dead folks vote. Imaginary people vote, Illegally present folks vote, union folks vote, other people vote too.
Still. If you have the key to the ballot box, makes no difference. The key to the ballot box is paramount. If one tells the American pubic it is this way, or that, The Constituton is out, They lay over and take it. The problem is that what is happening is that the way of doing business has been relegated to "Chicago Style" Politics. It is nowhere near politics, it is RULE! Not politics! JMO. Folks are tired of working to support half the people. I feel a line will be drawn soon. It will make a mockery of lackadasical attitudes. European countries have shown a history of this, in spite of fierce opposition. Men will be on one side. The rest, on the other. Democrats, Republicans, Independents. Unions, and ALL. United and working together.
Hide and watch! We shall see! A nice dream! ......or is it?

Originally Posted by sharptonn

dead folks vote. Imaginary people vote, Illegally present folks vote, union folks vote, other people vote too.

I'm not aware of any law that precludes union members from voting, but as far as the rest may be that's just well placed lies to make gullible people do stuff they would otherwise not do. If the elections in this country are so corrupt, perhaps you should invite foreign observers and foreign armies to put that back on track (I think Russia would be happy to help out). Of course, after ceasing to bring that same corrupt process to other countries like Iraq and Afganistan.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Still. If you have the key to the ballot box, makes no difference. The key to the ballot box is paramount.

That's been attributed to Mr Stalin although as far as I know the only source is from a Memoir and relates to internal party voting, which may be the only voting that had any meaning.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

If one tells the American pubic it is this way, or that, The Constituton is out

Dunno, as far as I can tell the political process in this country works largely as proscribed. There is political corruption, but that's not something that the politicians, including the founding fathers have been particularly worried about, so its existence is a direct result of that.
Of course, we also have all the constitutional experts in threads like this who like to claim that their political opponents are the worst dictators ever lived, but I think everybody ought to use their own brain a little more, especially when their reaction is based on emotion and fear.

The thing is that almost everybody in this country seems to have bought into the wrong conflict red vs. blue, conservative vs. liberal. In my opinion the real concern should be corruption vs. non-corruption, but as long people don't care about it, and substitute it with something completely irrelevant, things will remain the same.

Originally Posted by gugi

I'm not aware of any law that precludes union members from voting


That's been attributed to Mr Stalin although as far as I know the only source is from a Memoir and relates to internal party voting, which may be the only voting that had any meaning.


The thing is that almost everybody in this country seems to have bought into the wrong conflict red vs. blue, conservative vs. liberal. In my opinion the real concern should be corruption vs. non-corruption, but as long people don't care about it, and substitute it with something completely irrelevant, things will remain the same.

Well said!
Was not implying union folks should not vote. Just describing the variety of voters, legal and not.
And Yes, Stalin is a prime example.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

I don't agree the lawsuit was justified. Arizona is being overrun with illegals. People are being killed. The State was doing it's job by trying to protect it's citizens.

Obama was violating his oath again by refusing to enforce laws that were passed and signed into law by previous Presidents. Liberals have done everything possible to keep illegals here because they see potential voters. He just found some pet Judges to rule in his favor.

This whole racial profiling Political Correctness crud is stupid and suicidal. You can't racially profile so you search old ladies and 4 year olds to prove you are not a bigot.

Insanity.

Laws on all levels are enforced as the agency involved sees fit. Rob a bank? The DA may decide not to prosecute law or no law. Smuggled drugs? The U.S Attorney can decide not to prosecute. Entire Govt agencies make the decision to basically ignore certain laws they are charged with enforcing for a variety of reasons from logistics to politics. This has been going on since the country was created. Obama has done nothing different.

Originally Posted by gugi

The thing is that almost everybody in this country seems to have bought into the wrong conflict red vs. blue, conservative vs. liberal. In my opinion the real concern should be corruption vs. non-corruption, but as long people don't care about it, and substitute it with something completely irrelevant, things will remain the same.

Call me cynical, but I believe corruption of the ones in power is inevitable. Regular elections can keep a lid on it to some extend, but if one has have the zealous ambition to be in a position of (semi-)decision making authority, they will have to believe that what they're doing is right. Or they're in it for the powertrip, or a combination of both. Either way, pthe attachment to the authoritative position is strong.

Besides being highly corruptible, they like a good squabble. People enjoy 'being right'. If there's something that can be created or something already in place which can be manipulated to keep the general public occupied (a clear political polemical situation such as the US two-party system - this is just an example, really) it's much easier to keep the ball of authority in the same court over a longer stretch of time.

The simpler and clearer it is for the general public, the easier it is for them (us) to get on with everyday life. Which is what most people want anywhere in the world. Other people like their powertrips.

Note: I do believe that a corrupt government/authority can function, and that not every government/authority is corrupt in the legal sense of the word (political corruption). This would not only be too cynical, even for me, but also impossible to prove.

The problem right now is that people have lost interest in the process. Most of the people don't bother to learn what the real issues are or what their candidate does _between_ elections.

They just see the occasional ad.

They just base their vote on who is perceived as giving them the most handouts.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

The problem right now is that people have lost interest in the process. Most of the people don't bother to learn what the real issues are or what their candidate does _between_ elections.

They just see the occasional ad.

They just base their vote on who is perceived as giving them the most handouts.

Crotalus, I think you give your fellow Americans much less respect than they deserve. Whilst they may disagree regarding the fundamentals of their politics, that doesn't make them stupid. I am not saying there aren't stupid people, there are, the way they vote doesn't make them stupid. The reasons people vote, well ... that can be a symptom of lower intelligence, BELIEVE, though ... there are people who shouldn't be left in charge of a broom on both sides of the line.

I don't understand the American's attachment to the bill of rights. Some people say this means I can't have an opinion on the issues, they're wrong. From my perspective, the US constitution was put into place to plain get rid of the British. There isn't anything wrong with that but times change, and so must legislation. At one point in all countries across the world, murder was legal. Does this mean it was right, NO!!! I have a comparison that I think is a good one. In Iraq, Saddam Hussein killed a lot of people, in his country this was legal. Does that make it right? Change was needed, as viewed by the rest of the world.

Most of the rest of the world has a pretty unanimous opinion that the USA needs to change on many fronts, yet it resists based on the US constitution. Sometimes a document that is over 200 years old is a little out of touch. The British are gone (apart from me ), the rest of the world isn't coming to take the USA, so things have to change to protect the US citizens, and residents alike.

I am not only talking about weapons, I am talking about Health, extreme capitalism, low taxes. Evolution takes time ... God speed.

@ commiecat, thanks for catching that, I missed it.
That's pretty funny.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Evolution takes time ... God speed.