Thread: North Korea

Originally Posted by Grizzley1

With all due respect, I think your both nuts,and I mean that in the best possible way
JMHO

I thank you. I strive not to be normal.

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

I thank you. I strive not to be normal.

And you succeed brilliantly which is not a bad thing at all. I would comment more on what has been said, but like most people, my hurts if I think too much.

Bob

Carl and Bruno:

I like the discussion, in fact it was old Cold War policy, that the US called "Launch under Fire" basically all our Nuke forces were on a 30 minute trigger, they trained that everyting had to be wheels up or launched in under 30 minutes (The flight time of the Russian ICBMs).. We hinged our MAD policy on that, it worked and the world backed away from the brink at least compared to the old Cold War standards...

With Nations like NK, Iran, and a few others, nobody is quite sure that MAD deterence works, so the situation is a little more dangerous, for the US, with the political cilmate across the world there is the distinct possibility a retalitory Nuke strike in response to a NK attack would be looked down on by the world.. Exactly for the reason that Pixelfixed mentioned earlier "Probably 99% of the NK people are innocent" so is it fair that the US drops hell on their heads..

However, myself I like the way Carl brought it back down to a personal level, it does make things much simpler, in thought, but perhaps not in reality


We (The Western world) just have no way of understanding, or relating to how these nations think, one of the biggest mistakes we have all made is the assumtion that they think like we do and that just has not proved to be true..

Originally Posted by gssixgun

...However, myself I like the way Carl brought it back down to a personal level, it does make things much simpler, in thought, but perhaps not in reality...

That's very nice of you to say so. I try to use this analogy when I consider the discussion in Australia about 'illegal immigrants' (i.e. some being refugees from a war we ourselves are engaged in) and 'people smugglers'. I like the comment made by someone a little while ago, that by these definitions the nuns in The Sound of Music were people smugglers. I like to think I should help people. I like to think countries should help countries. Unless we as individuals get our shit together, we can't hope for nations to do so. again, it's simply a matter of scale.

I must say, the key words here are 'I like to think'. I'm not saying I DO it (You should have heard me ranting to the wife a few minutes about the noisy bike riding club (otherwise known as the 'shout and slam car doors club') that have descended en bulk on the local town hall. I don't really practice what I preach, unfortunately. Not wanting to get all airy fairy, but I also feel there are some pretty good messages in the Bible that can inform one on how to treat others...

If only our "defence" forces were actually defence forces and not "offence" forces.
The US has about 1000 military based in over 200 countries.... I would be feeling pretty nervous in general if I wasn't one of the allies. Even then, some of todays enemys are yesterdays allies. That reminds me of a pic I got showing people like Gaddafi who used to be an Ally and then became an enemy... Purely because of a change in political whim.

I have no idea how the N.K. think,or how they feel about us,but in the case of Iran,since most of them want to meet Allah, I say we oblige them

Originally Posted by Grizzley1

I have no idea how the N.K. think,or how they feel about us,but in the case of Iran,since most of them want to meet Allah, I say we oblige them

I'm always a little baffled by this eagerness to kill the people of Iran. Iran is composed of a very diverse population, most of whom have mo more desire to meet their maker than an average person in the rest of the world. Iran also has a very rich cultural history and is *not* filled to the brim with psychotic terrorists hell bent on destroying America. They just want to live their lives. And most of the people of Iran would probably be just as happy as you to see the end of the theocratic dictatorship that has shackled the country since the revolution.

The leaders of Iran have adopted many hateful and potentially destructive policies and I have *no* love for them. But that is hardly a legitimate justification for murdering their population.

BTW, guess who helped Iran get into the Nuclear game?

What I try to remember is, what you see on any news isn't a true picture of what's real. Think about the media in general. Are they going to spend any time or film on an ordinary guy, walking to work to earn a living for his family? No. But, by golly, you'll see a guy naked, with a sword walking around ranting like a madman. Because, that's news. Perhaps I'm naive, but I really believe that if you choose your average guy, just pick a region of the world, any region, and ask him what he wants out of life. I feel the basic answer will be pretty much the same world over, just to live life, earn enough to take care of the family and wish things to be better for their kids than they had it. I'm supposed to live in a land in which the people have a voice and can bring change. Yeah, right. People are people where ever you find them. It's the leaders, the heads of state, the mullahs, the presidents and kings that are the problem or salvation of any place or country, not the poor schmuck just trying to get from day to day. I sure as heck don't have the answers, hell, I don't even realize what the true cause or questions are. I really thought Iran was going to change some things a while back, their young are starting to realize that there's more to life than what they have, but that kinda fizzled. Nuke em' all and let God sort em' out, that's just the easy quick answer, and it's far from the right one. Like I say, I don't have the answer, but I really enjoy that I have access to the life I have. And the freedom to write my thoughts here without someone kicking my door open tonight and dragging me away, and a lot of people can't even do that.

I don't believe in killing innocent people. If we all think NK is actually a real credible threat (unlike Iraq, Iran etc) then the government, and all the military establishments should be destroyed.
Nukes and sanctions just kill innocent people.

IMO the answer is no or extremely minimal government.
It's governments that make wars, not ordinary people.

They just want to live their lives.

Your right ,although they want to live in the 11th century