Thread: imports??

Bloody ridiculous...Makes me so mad that bureaucracy think that they have a right to take away our free choice by using laws to control law-abiding citizens. Those same laws that the criminals ignore and use against the law-abiding.


Mick

Originally Posted by Zaloenis

Cant import any folding knives into victoria now, almost no folders of any sort on global gear now as a result, only whatever they had left in stock, even they can not import them anymore.

So possably a massive problem if you purchased a nice razor from overseas now, customs may decide it was too much like a folding knife and decide to keep it, big cash waste.

Huge opportunity for any Aussie makers.

guess that means less work for customs they will likely just confiscate any folding knife instead of determining it's weapon statis,just bought a razor from overseas and bid on another i wonder if being labled as antique will make a difference but i can see a license similar to gun license just to own pocket/hunting knives eventually

The problem with complying with licencing is that the government then knows what you have got. When they decide that what you have is too dangerous they can come and get it. So you either have to accept that they can eventually come to take away what you have or be a criminal and illegally store stuff.

This doesn't just mean weapons. It started with guns, but now it is going to knives. Soon the police will be coming to your house to confiscate your pocket knives. The time will come, if not for us then for our children, when you need to have a licence to have an axe for chopping wood.

Bloody ludicrous all this. The other day on the news they reported a haul by police of illegal fireworks with a "street value" of x dollars. "Street value" like it was cocaine or something

Can just imagine all the 'illegal'swiss' army knives they'll confiscate in future. Imagine the damage a criminal could do with the magnifying glass attachment

The issue with folding knives stems from whether or not it can be construed as a one hand opening knife. If customs officers can get a knife to open just once or even partially using their 'flick trick', no matter how many tries it takes to actually make it work, it's as good as illegal in their eyes. Customs are pushing to lobby their ideas and interpretation of knife laws and knife descriptions (e.g a knife that has a partially sharpened spine being classed as a double edged (dagger) knife), and are being quite successful in the attempt.

The opportunity for Aussie makers isn't really there either, as, if it does not pass the very same customs 'flick trick' that customs impose, it is deemed illegal and both the maker and the owner are subject to prosecution.
It doesn't pay to be an honest citizen in this country, as our honesty is working to erode our freedom.


Mick

Originally Posted by onimaru55

Bloody ludicrous all this. The other day on the news they reported a haul by police of illegal fireworks with a "street value" of x dollars. "Street value" like it was cocaine or something

Can just imagine all the 'illegal'swiss' army knives they'll confiscate in future. Imagine the damage a criminal could do with the magnifying glass attachment

Very dangerous. They could light the fuse on the fireworks.

Originally Posted by ndw76

Very dangerous. They could light the fuse on the fireworks.

And there goes parliament house... up in smoke

BTW Mick, you sure the law is about ownership also ?
I thought it was just about importing. After all the country must now be full of "illegal'' pen knives

I bet the government's workin' on laws to ban fresh fruit & point-ed sticks

Originally Posted by onimaru55

And there goes parliament house... up in smoke

Isn't that the reason why Guy Forks night bonfire and fireworks were banned? To stop people getting any funny ideas?

Originally Posted by onimaru55

And there goes parliament house... up in smoke

BTW Mick, you sure the law is about ownership also ?
I thought it was just about importing. After all the country must now be full of "illegal'' pen knives

I bet the government's working' on laws to ban fresh fruit & point-ed sticks

It is a grey area at the moment, but it will be defined soon, after the 'weapons harmonisation act' is passed. And yes, the country is full of illegal imports as it stands at the moment. It is, in most states, against the law to carry/be in possession of any knife/bladed instrument that can be deemed to be a 'Flick' knife or knife able to be operated using centrifugal force to open i.e one hand opening knife, or assisted opening knife. As well as any legal knives without legitimate reason to be in possession of them.
Many of us own a knife or knives that can be operated in this manner and even some that can be 'made' to operate in this manner and are totally unaware of the fact. It will be the first of those groups that will be the cause of a charge or two now, and the second one will cause problems once the weapons harmonisation act gets passed. I don't doubt that it will get passed, even though it is ridiculously stupid. Since when has a politicion been accused of having brains or common sense?! (Well I'll accuse the premier of Tasmania for having common sense in this regard. He said it isn't the instrument that is the problem, but the person using it.)
One of the reasons the AKC shut down the club side of things was because it would have been forced, by law, to give the details of it's members to the government. An act that would have been in breach of their policy to respect the privacy of it's members. Why, I ask, does the government need to know the details of a bunch of legitimate collectors, makers and customiser's?!


Mick