Thread: E-cigarettes

I've heard things very close to that ^^^

Glycerin is used in soaps, apparently I've washed the inside of my lungs clean. Including the smog we breath everyday. Hey! Its healthy to vape glycerin, what can I say. I feel great!!

Nicotine has been shown to be as harmful as caffeine. It's everything else they add into the stinkies that make them evem more addictive and harmful. I can go waaaaaay longer without a vape than I used to with a cig.

That being said, I agree and follow e-cig bans almost everywhere for one simple reason. Nicotine and caffeine ARE harmful to young children.

The best rebuildable for leaking issues, for me, is the kangertech subtanks. I have 3 of them and they are damn near bullet proof.

I'll post my graveyard tomorrow.... I figured I was pretty reasonable in spending over 3 or 4 years... but it still could have been a 20k or 30k hone.... my biggest problem is most mods are of fairly shoddy quality

I vape like I smoked. Keep it out of everybody else's nose if you can. It is harmless but some find the smell awful even though it is just in there head. The Ladies now love that I smell like cupcake instead of smoke. All the ingredients I use are food additives and perfectly safe according to the FDA and every other agency. For those who are just grossed out by the idea or have some sort of fear of it I say this > Have you ever walked into a 5 star Kitchen full of Chefs and seen any of them wearing respirators ? They are cooking with and breathing the same thing ! Do they die of cancer from inhaling in the kitchen? NOPE
The 1 exception I have found are the Diketones I mentioned in a previous post and so I eliminated them from my mixes. Yes those factory workers inhaled a powder form but it has also been proven that,,,, ahhhhhhh ,see next post :<0)

Diacetyl ( The ingredient found in some e-juice)

Diacetyl is a chemical that was found to be a prominent volatile constituent in butter flavoring and air at the microwave popcorn plant initially investigated by NIOSH. Diacetyl is also known as the alpha-diketone, 2,3-butanedione, or by its Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS) number, 431-03-08. NIOSH has published a comprehensive document characterizing diacetyl entitled Criteria for a Recommended Standard: Occupational Exposure to Diacetyl and 2,3-Pentanedione.

Workers in microwave popcorn manufacturing are exposed to many materials besides diacetyl. Thus, NIOSH's initial studies in a total of six microwave popcorn plants were not able to definitely determine if diacetyl exposure contributed to lung disease or was a marker for other hazardous substances that contributed to disease. Still, NIOSH studies in the initial plant documented a relationship between cumulative exposure to diacetyl vapor over time and having abnormal lung function as measured by a test of lung function called spirometry. Also, higher cumulative exposure to diacetyl in this plant was associated with having a lower level of forced expiratory volume in 1 second (FEV 1), an important measure of lung function. Across all six microwave popcorn plants studied by NIOSH, working as a mixer of butter flavorings and heated soybean oil was associated with higher exposure to diacetyl vapor than working in other areas of the plants. People who had ever worked as mixers had more chest symptoms and poorer lung function as measured by lower FEV 1 than people who had never worked as mixers. People who had worked as mixers for more than 12 months had more shortness of breath with exertion and lower FEV 1 than people who had worked as mixers for less than 12 months.

Subsequent studies have helped to clarify the role of diacetyl. Toxicology studies have shown that vapors from heated butter flavorings can cause damage to airways in animals (Hubbs et al, 2002). Studies in both rats and mice demonstrate that the cells lining the airways can be damaged by inhaling diacetyl vapors as a single agent exposure in both acute and subchronic studies (Hubbs et al. 2008; Morgan et al. 2008). In mice, aspiration of diacetyl alone caused a pattern of injury that replicates some of the features of human obliterative bronchiolitis (Morgan et al. 2008). These findings support the hypothesis that diacetyl vapors are an inhalation hazard in the workplace. Also, a study from the Netherlands shows that chemical workers in a plant that manufactured diacetyl developed the same type of lung disease as microwave popcorn workers (van Rooy et al. 2007 and 2009). These chemical workers had less complicated exposures than microwave popcorn workers. Overall, current evidence points to diacetyl as one agent that can cause flavorings-related lung disease. Other flavoring ingredients may also play a role.




References
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/fla.../exposure.html

Diacetyl is also product of fermentation and is pretty commonly found in our food source. Think Beer lol. I think its a non issue these days as not many manufacturers will put any of it in their e liquid. Tobacco has diacetyl in it too in quantities much higher than any e liquid ever had. Nobody who smoked died of popcorn lung like it was something you got instantaneously. Smoking has plenty of other poisons much worse than diacetyl. There are some maybee's out there for sure.

Well what brought the issue up was my warning about 5 Pawns. They did get busted for using massive amounts of it to enhance/sell juice. Ingesting it is one thing, working around it in a factory is another , and yes small amounts in flavoring we vape may be a non issue. Same as the cook that goes to the bathroom and doesn't wash his hands. The possibility doesn't stop people from going out to eat but if you knew about it....... :<0)

From what I have read, diacetyl levels are substancially higher that what even fives pawns puts in their juice. I don't really care. I want nicotine but want it to taste good and to not smell like a chicken coop.

I asked a buddy that makes and sells ejuice, as well as inquired about his liquids. He mentioned a few articles showing studies where the difference in particles of diacetyl are 10000 times lower in vaping than what is in cigs and something on the order of a million times lower than the factories. In regards to his juices, he said "of course, what do you think makes it taste so good."

Ejuice manufacturers are still using it, particularly buttery and creamy flavors.

Never heard the Cig comparison before and totally believe it. I have noticed though the concentrate makers are replacing or selling 2nd versions of their concentrates without it. Most of this probably driven by the DIY guys. Another trend to watch is concentrates premixed so all you have to do is add pg/vg which is almost a no brainer. Is a no brainer if you buy premixed base which comes in all the nic mg levels premade. I am really not too worried about diketones myself but I am mixing for others now too. Others willing to pay :<0) If I learn all this (and can make tasty juices) without using anything considered harmful, then I have an edge. I think another factor is the government regulations that may or may not be coming soon. IF juice is controlled like cigs then a lot of smaller companies are going to be regulated out of business or driven under ground. Anything a regulator can point at and say "that is bad for you and we have to control it to make sure the public doesn't get hurt" is not helping the industry as a whole. Or the consumer. Of course the new order president Trump just signed may have a huge impact on regulations. Sorry it just seems like you can't talk about anything these days without bringing politic into it

Originally Posted by Aerdvaark

I'm glad you voiced yourself!
I normally don't make vapor you can see, but for you I'm going to get out my 250 watt mod with a .01 ohm quad coil with a mega dripper on it and fill the entire courtyard out front with dense vapor on your behalf. And in about a year when the cloud reaches your part of the world, your going to smell a strong scent of fresh strawberries when there are none around.....
Not to worry though, it will be a non-nicotine blend, I would want to damage your health.....

Laugh at me all you want, but I HAVE walked into a room that was literally walking into a fog bank! And the smells were overwhelming. It was like walking into one of those scented candle shops. Do what you want to yourself, but dont deny that a packed room full of vape smokers is not much different from a room full of cig smoke to the nose/lungs of nonsmokers and people with COPD problems