Thread: Martial Arts Styles

Originally Posted by onimaru55

This is the case with the Jujutsu I learn/teach. At sho dan the defensive concept is replaced with a concept of being in control of the attacker/s. It is not so much offensive, as nullifying the attackers potential from the start but could easily be used offensively if necessary hence it is not taught at student levels.

We teach the concept of Sen-no-Sen or to some Sen-sen-no-sen, but have no problem with hit first, hit hard, and keep hitting until they go down....


Sen-no-sen
To counterattack during the attack, if done correctly it can be the most devastating counter of all... The concept you see in the boxing ring when both fighters throw a punch virtually at the same time, and one connects a split second before the other...

Agreed . You do whatever is necessary to get the results.
I think its essential to teach the concepts & principles that techniques are based on as it allows you to adapt to any situation, creating a technique on the fly. If you learn 100 techniques to defend against an attack without learning the principles behind it an attacker with 101 techniques will be a problem.
Verrrry interesting thread....

Originally Posted by cybrok

In stand up MMA, I sparred against a TKD guy. His kicks were brutals, but each time he was about to launch one, I just had to fake a face punch, and it was enough to stop his kick, because he wasn't prepared to get hit in the face.

Lots of people are like that. People are really scared of getting hit in the face. I joined in a Kickboxing training the other day and noticed that. A lot of people also don't look where they throw their punch for fear of being punched at the same time and not being able to defend themselves.

I can beat the snot out of people who do this.....when they spar with me they'll recieve blow after blow simply because they're not looking at where the hits are coming from.

It's really fun

Originally Posted by cybrok

That's why I stopped TKD. How can a martial art where you can't hit the face, so you don't defend the face, prepare you for a real life situation.

From what I understood on martialtalk.com, there are 2 types of TKD. There is the sports TKD we all know from tv, and there is the self defense / combat variety of TKD.

And many of the self defense / combat TKD lines absolutely hate sports TKD and the recognition as an olympic sport, precisely because it has spread the notion that TKD is a rules sport which is not good for self defense.

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

Lots of people are like that. People are really scared of getting hit in the face.

Not so much afraid of getting hit in the face, as afraid of concussions.
I had one severe concussion already in my life. That's enough imo. I am a software engineer. If I can't spend 12 hours per day looking at a monitor anymore, I have a wee bit of a problem.

It's the reason I never did full contact sparring or competition fighting.
I used to do a lot of sparring with a karateka when I was younger. We wore thin fist and shin pads and sparred at medium contact level. Intense enough to really hurt, but not to injure.

I always disliked thick boxing type gloves. First of all they get in the way, and secondly people seem to automatically start hitting harder if they wear 16oz gloves, on the assumption that they land softer. But the impact to the brain is still the same and I had one (luckily mild this time) concussion as a result.

I prefer those thin pads (or bareknuckle). Chances of getting bruises and lacerations is probably higher, but they tend to make it easier for people to stay in the medium contact area.

Yeah yeah I'm a wuss...

Originally Posted by Bruno

From what I understood on martialtalk.com, there are 2 types of TKD. There is the sports TKD we all know from tv, and there is the self defense / combat variety of TKD.

And many of the self defense / combat TKD lines absolutely hate sports TKD and the recognition as an olympic sport, precisely because it has spread the notion that TKD is a rules sport which is not good for self defense.

Agreed, unfortunately around here the competition version is the only one available.

I understand what you say about concussions, but there's the "good" way to react to a punch, block or defend, and the "wrong" way, panic.

When block/defend becomes a reflex, IMO it's far better than panic.

Originally Posted by cybrok

I understand what you say about concussions, but there's the "good" way to react to a punch, block or defend, and the "wrong" way, panic.

When block/defend becomes a reflex, IMO it's far better than panic.

Totally agree.

Though I don't think full contact to the head is necessary to train those reflexes.

I don't think full contact is necessary. But I think contact is. Both for the one punching, so he knows where he should aim, and for the punched, to know when he should block.

Originally Posted by cybrok

When block/defend becomes a reflex, IMO it's far better than panic.

This was remarkably demonstrated to me once when my friend returned from regular forces army training and we held a party for him. I walked in and he proceeded to volley several lightning fast punches to my chest all of which I was able to block without thinking exactly in the manner of a martial arts block I had been studying, namely, Wave Hands Like Clouds, a maneuver from that bastion of hard hitting devastation, Tai Chi. It was a friendly competition and not the same thing as a street brawl, but it was surprisingly effective and not the last time the reflex was useful to me.

I've been following this thread because I'm very interested in taking up the practice of a martial art again. Thank-you all for your insight and various opinions.

Originally Posted by cybrok

I don't think full contact is necessary. But I think contact is. Both for the one punching, so he knows where he should aim, and for the punched, to know when he should block.

I'm a fan of full contact. IMHO I would argue that there is something to learning what it feels like to not only block and land a shot, but also in learning what it's like to take one full blast... There are plenty of lessons to learn about fighting while hurt, or when your bell has been rung. It's totally different striking and blocking right after a rib's been cracked.