Thread: How many people CCW here?

I carry a glock 36. All glocks/guns are safe if you keep your finger away from the trigger. There is no need to have your finger near the trigger when unloading your firearm. thats just basic safety.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

There was a story out of Florida yesterday.

A man at Church was a CCW. Another man was thinking about getting a license and wanted to see the carrier's gun. They went in a closet and the carrier took out his gun and removed the magazine. The gun went off and the bullet went through the wall and struck the Preacher's Daughter in the head. She is in critical condition if she is still alive today.

For this reason I chose a pistol with a magazine disconnect. Also for this reason I carry a pistol with a real safety, unlike a Glock.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

There was a story out of Florida yesterday.

A man at Church was a CCW. Another man was thinking about getting a license and wanted to see the carrier's gun. They went in a closet and the carrier took out his gun and removed the magazine. The gun went off and the bullet went through the wall and struck the Preacher's Daughter in the head. She is in critical condition if she is still alive today.

For this reason I chose a pistol with a magazine disconnect. Also for this reason I carry a pistol with a real safety, unlike a Glock.

First rule of gun safety every gun is loaded. 2nd is keep your finger off the trigger.

Never show off Your firearm when not at a Range.... That was a dumb move and He should lose His right to carry.. It just shows He is Not safe with a handgun...

Originally Posted by alb1981

I carry a glock 36. All glocks/guns are safe if you keep your finger away from the trigger. There is no need to have your finger near the trigger when unloading your firearm. thats just basic safety.

I had to bury a 7 year old girl because a Glock doesn't have a safety.

A friend of mine, Fireman, EMT, Class 3 dealer, and CCW instructor did something dumb. He came home from work, tired, took off his Glock and placed it on a computer desk. His kids were well aware of firearms, so that wasn't the danger. Sometime during the day the gun got covered with papers. The little girl tried to push the papers out of the way. The gun went off and shot her in the eye.

The trigger pull on a Glock is too light to not have a real safety. I know there are other opinions on it, but I will never change my mind and always discourage people from buying one if I am asked for an opinion.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

I had to bury a 7 year old girl because a Glock doesn't have a safety.

A friend of mine, Fireman, EMT, Class 3 dealer, and CCW instructor did something dumb. He came home from work, tired, took off his Glock and placed it on a computer desk. His kids were well aware of firearms, so that wasn't the danger. Sometime during the day the gun got covered with papers. The little girl tried to push the papers out of the way. The gun went off and shot her in the eye.

The trigger pull on a Glock is too light to not have a real safety. I know there are other opinions on it, but I will never change my mind and always discourage people from buying one if I am asked for an opinion.

Sorry....not buying this..there is more to the story than your telling. I have a striker fired H&K and there is no way that its going off if its moved,and it has a very light trigger. I'm sorry, there are no accidents,just poor gun handling. It shouldn't have been where she could have gotten near it.

P.S. in thirty years of having pistoles near and around my kids, not once did one ever go off for no reason...not once !

I'm not hiding anything. I told you everything that happened.

She pushed the papers that were covering the gun. There's no telling what part of the pistol she was actually pushing on. Yes, it was a bad decision. It's also a more than usually dangerous gun.

Originally Posted by Crotalus

I'm not hiding anything. I told you everything that happened.

She pushed the papers that were covering the gun. There's no telling what part of the pistol she was actually pushing on. Yes, it was a bad decision. It's also a more than usually dangerous gun.

One safety the Glock does have is their "safe action trigger". Essentially, this is an additional bar on the face of the trigger which must be fully depressed in order for the trigger to engage (or rather release) the firing pin safety plunger. With one of my own Glocks fixed firmly in a bench grip, muzzle of course downrange, and using a thin metal rod, I have attempted to pull the trigger and fire the weapon without engaging the safe action lever. It will not work. The lever must be fully depressed for the weapon to fire.

I am certainly not calling you a liar, and this is a tragic and terrible accident no matter how it occurred, but it is very hard for me to imagine how a little girl pushing papers on a desk was able to engage the safe action lever, and then exert another 5.5 lbs. of pressure on the entire trigger assembly, allowing the weapon to discharge. If that was possible, it would seem as likely that pushing those papers around may have disengaged the hammer safety on a cocked and locked 1911 style pistol, and subsequently exerted enough pressure on the much lighter (1.5 - 2.5 lb) single-action trigger of that type of pistol to discharge it.

Granted, a loaded double-action revolver (8.5 lb. trigger) or DA/SA Beretta or Sig (10-12 lb. double-action first-shot) may have been marginally safer in this situation. Still, I would never leave either of those lying around loaded underneath a stack of papers - anywhere, whether kids are around or not!

I am very sorry for that little girl, but Glocks are neither more nor less dangerous than any other firearm. I've studied other negligent discharge cases in which people have said " the decocker didn't work (Beretta 92) ... the safety came off by itself (Colt 1911)... I dropped it while running and it just went off (Bersa Thunder)... in other words, everyone tends to blame it on the gun. Investigations of all of theses cases showed that the gun was fine, and that the operator somehow managed to fully depress the trigger while not paying attention. Firearm safety always, always, always depends on the operator.

PS: If you have a link to a newspaper article or case history of this tragic occurrence, I'd be very interested in reading it. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Crotalus

I had to bury a 7 year old girl because a Glock doesn't have a safety.

A friend of mine, Fireman, EMT, Class 3 dealer, and CCW instructor did something dumb. He came home from work, tired, took off his Glock and placed it on a computer desk. His kids were well aware of firearms, so that wasn't the danger. Sometime during the day the gun got covered with papers. The little girl tried to push the papers out of the way. The gun went off and shot her in the eye.

The trigger pull on a Glock is too light to not have a real safety. I know there are other opinions on it, but I will never change my mind and always discourage people from buying one if I am asked for an opinion.

Does He still have any guns that He owns? If YES.... Tell Him to sell them all, He should lose His right to be a CCW instructor, since He can't be safe with a firearm. He should know the First rule, That is keep them from Kids... All I can say is Dumb Ass. The reason I say that is, Only Dumb asses blames the Gun for Killing someone when It's the Shooter/Owner.. Guns don't Kill People do...

Wait a minute, In Your post You say "You had to bury a 7yr Girl" Then You Say " A friend of mine" Was the Little Girl Your's? Or are You the Jack wagon that left the gun out so someone/anyone could get to it..

My Glock has the 5.5 lb trigger and I am telling you its impossible to accidentally pull that trigger, especially when you factor in the triple trigger. I am not saying what happened was not a horrible horrible tragedy, but there was a lot of negligence on the fellow's part. That being said, I do not judge and I am very very sorry that you all had to live through that event. My prayers are with the family and those influenced.

Gentlemen Lets Please take it down a notch,,
Keep this civil,

Also for future reference, when quoting a news story, it is common practice on SRP to provide a link to the story..

Glen, Senior Mod SRP

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