Thread: Looking for a good 2k

How about something in the 3-5k and then use your finisher? That is, if you really want to buy a stone. The stones you have, should work nicely in a progression, and I don't think you need a 2k for use before or after the soft Arkansas. To hone a razor you don't need 8 stones in a single progression, from 1000 to 12k grit, and after that a natural. 3-4 stones are enough, as long as the gap between them is not too wide or too narrow. And by too wide, I mean a 3x-4x the grit of the previous stone. If it's bigger, then it will take a few laps more. If it's smaller, then, I guess you have HAD.

You misunderstand, I don't use all of those stones.

I normally go from the C800 to a 2k chosera then the Nakayama Agasi with slurry. I like the 2k in there to help with scratch removal and insure a solid bevel. It just works better for me. Lots of folks use a 2k to set the bevel. I just prefer the 800, it is such a good stone.

My only issue is the feel of the 2k, I need to replace the 2k I have for a better feel.

Originally Posted by dta116

You misunderstand, I don't use all of those stones.

I normally go from the C800 to a 2k chosera then the Nakayama Agasi with slurry. I like the 2k in there to help with scratch removal and insure a solid bevel. It just works better for me. Lots of folks use a 2k to set the bevel. I just prefer the 800, it is such a good stone.

My only issue is the feel of the 2k, I need to replace the 2k I have for a better feel.

The 800 grit stone is close enough to the 1000 grit stone, it can be counted as an 1k. If you can set your bevel on the 800, you can try one stone honing, and as far as I know with my Japanese stones, it doesn't take too long. The method is known as one stone honing, but as I said earlier, I think it would be much more helpful to you if you get something in the 3-5k, even 6k if fast enough, range. If you follow your 800 stone with a 2000 grit, it will need like 5 strokes to refine the edge to one of a 2000 stone, and from there to your asagi, it will need extra work. But it you use a progression 800- say 4k, and then the Nakayama, it will save you both time and stone. Anyway, that's my opinion. Good luck whatever you choose.

Originally Posted by Vasilis

The 800 grit stone is close enough to the 1000 grit stone, it can be counted as an 1k. If you can set your bevel on the 800, you can try one stone honing, and as far as I know with my Japanese stones, it doesn't take too long. The method is known as one stone honing, but as I said earlier, I think it would be much more helpful to you if you get something in the 3-5k, even 6k if fast enough, range. If you follow your 800 stone with a 2000 grit, it will need like 5 strokes to refine the edge to one of a 2000 stone, and from there to your asagi, it will need extra work. But it you use a progression 800- say 4k, and then the Nakayama, it will save you both time and stone. Anyway, that's my opinion. Good luck whatever you choose.

So you recomend the Chosera 5k? Is it a velvet smooth stone?

Originally Posted by dta116

So you recomend the Chosera 5k? Is it a velvet smooth stone?

So far, the stone I like most on razors, is the Sigma Power 6k (with the purple TOS kind of like dots). Extremely fast, and strangely, one of the hardest stones I have ever seen.
As for the Chosera 5k, it's not a stone I have tried. Generally, about the higher grit chosera stones, they are not famous for their velvety edge. They are a bit harsh.
But, it doesn't matter if you finish on a natural after them. The characteristic edge of your last stone is all that matters. Or else, Eschers would be a lot cheaper. Or maybe not.

I would use a nagura set on your asagi stone. Yae botan and botan is very capable of cleaning chosera 800 scratches. Even if you need to use both or refresh one with another slurry. And im of the belief that natural progressions produce better smoother edges than synths leading to naturals. Ive tried combinations many times and Im certain of it on my bench anyway. There are many natural stones that work well in the grit your looking for.

Originally Posted by bill3152

I would use a nagura set on your asagi stone. Yae botan and botan is very capable of cleaning chosera 800 scratches. Even if you need to use both or refresh one with another slurry. And im of the belief that natural progressions produce better smoother edges than synths leading to naturals. Ive tried combinations many times and Im certain of it on my bench anyway. There are many natural stones that work well in the grit your looking for.

Well, don't stop there Bill. Tell me which natural stones would work as a post-beveler?

Tsushima black nagura toishi, and Hideriyama suita are fantastic for after bevel and before finish. I would give an edge to the suita as its about half the price. The suita doesnt need naguras, the TB will.

A Hakka is a wonderful post-bevel stone, and you won't find a natural that's smoother or creamier. About 4-5k compared to a Naniwa 5k Superstone (which so also a softer feeling synth). Nice solid ones of good size are pretty expensive though. JNS usually has a few.

Cheers, Steve

I was gonna say Tsushima also. I can set a bevel with mine but 2x slower than my Shap pro 1k for chip removal.
You must spend a lot of time on your Asagi, using it after 2k. I would use a prepolisher after 2 k or a bunch of Nagura.