Thread: Lorraine Rouge / Rouge Du Salm / BBW / Goldfisch Wetzstein

As Henk released his grinding and Honing Part 4 (Pages 47-49) about the Belgian Water Whetstones i got more interested in this Topic because i also got some of the more reddish / wine red BBW Stones (Rouge Du Salm) a half year before....as mentioned by Henk these stones work very fast with slurry and depending on usage they are around 4000-8000grit....

After buying more stones i got two "Goldfisch Wetzstein" Hones....one was a rectangular one the other one was one of the stones in a wooden box which had four corners cut away.

The first stone appeared more swirled and patterned then the typcal BBW stones or the vine red variants i got.



The second stone i got was that with four cutted corners:



This was the first giving me a first guess about the origin. It showed a certain area where another area in a yellow color appeared. An indicator that its proven these stones came out of certain Layers in Belgium ?


I was always unsure about Henks Statement even if i had known at this time he is one of the most experienced experts when talking about hones. And i also had known that he asked Maurice from Ardennes if these stones come from their area. I remember that this was confirmed....

Having these different stones in the Hand they just look different in appearance.....so i was searching for more information or some other examples of those stones.

Actually i had a nice Trade the last week with a well appreciated friend and member from several Boards....

I got another Goldfisch Wetzstein in exchange....as i got the first pics i was well surprised because it was a kind of a Typical "BBW" pattern....


So i asked myself is it just a normal BBW which was sold labelled from the F&Co. Company as a Goldfisch Stone. Or is it the same material like the Lorraine Stones because Henk mentioned the different colors/apperance within the "Lorraine" Layer....


As i got this nice example today i really could understand what Henk wrote and actually i can underline now what was written down and confirmed....

On one side the stone has the typical Rouge Du Salm / BBW pattern in a Vine red color.....



The other side has the same but the pattern is a bit less visible and shows some of the swirling i found on the other Stones i have shown before! The stone also autoslurries exact the same in fastness as the others did....


So another Time for me now to appreciate and value what Henk Did for all the Community and all people interested in honing!!

Beautiful stones, that's for sure.

Cheers.

Thanks for sharing Sebastian. Finishing with oil will improve upon your grit estimate sir.
MIke

Here is the working are in 10x and 20x magnification:

without water:


with water:


the coarser side with the swirls in more violet:


For a comparison another red wine colored BBW side:

Here is the latest example and its the one i searched for....welcome Mr. Jekyl and Mr. Hide...

Mr. Jekyl
This is a labelled "La Lorraine", as you can see on the labelled side its shows the normal BBW /Rouge Du Salm typical pattern...

Mr. Hide
On the back its the same pattern with this clouded/flash looking pattern going into darker violet...it shows the same face like the Goldfisch Stones and the one Gabe has now...

For me its clear that these stones are Belgian Stones from the "La Lorraine" layer...





Here is visible how the two different types of layers come together, in the middle the BBW type area with the typical dots...around the darker violet clouded pattern...

A week ago, a seller from Belgium listed 3 small sized stones, mint condition, with this label on auctions on the bay, but ended them soon after. They too looked just like Belgian blue stones. And as I said, they were in Belgium. I have to agree with you doorsch, I also think they are a type of Belgian blue.

Originally Posted by Vasilis

A week ago, a seller from Belgium listed 3 small sized stones, mint condition, with this label on auctions on the bay, but ended them soon after. They too looked just like Belgian blue stones. And as I said, they were in Belgium. I have to agree with you doorsch, I also think they are a type of Belgian blue.

Seems that i got one of those stones...this was one from this sellers stones...

Not sure how I missed those. I'm dying for a La Lorraine now to go with my others. I should have a labeled Goldfisch sometime soon and the La Lorraine would complete my collection.

Not sure why I'm attracted to the purple stones but their great performance keeps me choosing them over many other hones.

Originally Posted by DireStraights

Not sure why I'm attracted to the purple stones but their great performance keeps me choosing them over many other hones.

Because theyre great stones Gabe ;-)