Thread: Escher AFTER Coticule?

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

the quote in the OP isn't actually saying that the edges off coti's are better than (...) those off eschers (...)it's saying that the "edge profiles" are "different and not complimentary" - (...) that going from the coti to the escher does something odd in terms of polish/scratch pattern/final edge that is not advantageous.

Fair enough, but I maintain my assertion. To rephrase and clarify: so far, every time I used any labelled Escher on a good edge obtained with a Coticule, I thought the edge improved.


Incidentally, does the author of that text mean to imply that because of the very different nature of the sharpening particles in Coticules and chromiumoxide, or diamond spray, or ..., one cannot improve Coticule edges with chromiumoxide or diamond spray either? Or Charnley Forests? Or... ?

And what about stropping?

Originally Posted by Oldengaerde

Incidentally, does the author of that text mean to imply that because of the very different nature of the sharpening particles in Coticules and chromiumoxide, or diamond spray, or ..., one cannot improve Coticule edges with chromiumoxide or diamond spray either? Or Charnley Forests? Or... ?

And what about stropping?

Excellent points Artan.

lol well i have a coti but now i want an escher......anyone know where i can get a good one:P

Originally Posted by basil

lol well i have a coti but now i want an escher......anyone know where i can get a good one:P

eBay ,be ready to spend a bundle too.

Originally Posted by basil

lol well i have a coti but now i want an escher......anyone know where i can get a good one:P

Go get your checkbook and bring it to the phone .......

I'm kidding BTW, if it isn't obvious.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Go get your checkbook and bring it to the phone .......

I'm kidding BTW, if it isn't obvious.

Really? ....Dam and i was about to ask for that 1 800 number that id have to call

1 800 JIMMY HA and leave off the D for Disorder!

I have only used two different cotis - my third, a vintage, is currently on its way to me.

I believe the Escher which I have, a Barber's Delight, definitely improves the edges of the cotis which I have used. It doesn't improve it tremendously, however it is a worthy improvement. Saying that I need to try doing more laps to define its true limit.

How I interpret the author's quote in the OP is as follows: His new 'Eschers' are not true Eschers, or at least they do not possess the same quality as the Eschers made by Pike and Co that we love so much. They are in fact more comparable to some Thuringians which I am lead to believe some of which only attain edges of the equivalent grit 8-10K. I have read this (can not reference where) and have also read Neil Miller's assessment of certain of his stones for sale at Strop-shop.co.uk. Neil's assessment has been in accordance with some of the literature that I have read as to their finishing abilities.

If what I am guessing is true, then such a stone may not improve the edge over a coticule as the finishes would be very similar in terms of grit size. This is only a guess - I have never tried any Thuringian that was not an Escher, neither have I tried the ones being referenced in the OP.

It is the only sense that I can make of why an 'Escher' would not improve a coti edge, when many including myself have experienced the opposite - unless the seller has only used one coti to determine this, that being the super coti that we are all still searching for....

I have done some experiments which consisted of shaving off the coticule edge, then honing very lightly on an Escher to see if there was a difference in the next shave. Noticed slight improvement in the shave with some razors and significant improvement in others. Whether this is attributable to the Escher alone, or maybe that the blade was not completely finished on the coticule, I can't say. A shave is very subjective and cannot be quantified in numbers that would mean the same thing from user to user, which means different beards. Think this is going to remain a matter of opinion only.

i did exactly the same using my barbers delight and i did'nt like the edge of barbers delight and preferd coticule, having said that i had a blue escher and i did the sddame thing with that escher and there was a slight differance that i preferd on a couple of razors it seemed to add a nice glide and skimmed across my face that bit better.. it is hard to say which i would prefer as i never gave escher that much time to work for me. they are real nice hones to use and i can see why fokes are willing to pay for them as i may even get hold of another one and give it another go.