Thread: Hone of the Day

Hello Philipp
JMO, The top of the Micro view seems to show a length where the bevels not meeting, that grey edge.
Again, JMO
~Richard

Originally Posted by celticcrusader

PS this is one of my edges off a 12K hone at 300 x magnification.

By the way, are you sure it’s 300 x magnification?
The bevel of my Caschmiso is about 1/4 of millimeter wide, guessing based on my 160x and your 300x pictures the bevel of your Riga must be less than 1/20 of millimeter or so.
Is it possible?

Originally Posted by Geezer

Hello Philipp
JMO, The top of the Micro view seems to show a length where the bevels not meeting, that grey edge.
Again, JMO
~Richard

Thanks Richard for the hint.
I‘ve forgotten to mention that my pictures are only usable in the very center.

At the sides there is an optical failure called „spherical aberration“.
It comes due to my poor optical system: cheap microscope + mobile phone optics which are not optimized to esch other.

The razor passes HHT, so the bevel should be set.

Bye

Did a little something different in honing this weekend. Wanted to try out the edge off of my Zulu with dry laps. And Outback sent me his PHIG and a razor honed on it so I could try the edge and hone a razor to see if I could get the same edge he got. BTW, the edge he put on his razor with the PHIG was so sharp it was uncomfortable. Even to a pro shaver like Outback. He warned me about it. I have shaved with his razor 3 times before now and it is just keen as hell! Little razor burn even when being very careful. Checked the edge with my loupe and it was very straight and not chipped, but it felt chipped to me.



First one was the Torrey I finished restoring last week. What I did was to hone it with Naniwa progression up to 12K. Found a little chip so it took a little more work on the 1K but came to a nice keen edge. Then I put it on the PHIG. Must have been about 50 to 70 laps, then another 20 or so with a touch of soap in the water.



The second one was my trusty Kama. I always get the best shave from it. Its got the tiniest bevel. Even with a 40x loupe its hard to see the scratches on the bevel. I touched it up on the 12K then went to the Zulu Dry, while sitting and watching TV for about 45 minutes. Smooth on the stone for sure.



Shave test was just a few minutes ago. What I found was,

Outbacks razor finally calmed down. It was keen still but not as aggressive as it was the first 3 times shaving with it. Nice!

The Torrey on the PHIG by my hand, was comfortable. I felt the comfort of a natural stone but without the rubbery feeling I get with natural edges. Sorry, I don't know how else to describe it except rubbery. But my edge was very nice and felt wonderful.

2 for 2...

My Kama was very smooth. And with it being on a natural stone I did not feel the rubbery feeling, again! It's like as if the 300 or so laps dry, with the weight of the blade only, did the trick. I always get great shaves from this Kama, but this made it more comfortable and a dream to shave with.

After the shave, I grabbed up the Alum and felt next to nothing from it. Splash of Clubman Original and again, next to no burn.
Sorry for going on and on but I just wanted to share my experience of my last honing. I think I might finally be understanding what I'm doing when I hone. Maybe! Its taken long enough, that for sure!

Thanks to Mike for the loan of the PHIG and a super keen razor. I now know there IS such a thing as too damn sharp!

The edge from this combo was smoother yet sharper without feeling keen at all than any coticule edge I have ever made. The Fiddich River Stone and Tam O Shanter are one of the best combos I have come across. Also first time trying out Kapton tape which is great once applied, but first time using it on a smiling blade was a bit frustrating at first.

Originally Posted by Gasman

Did a little something different in honing this weekend. Wanted to try out the edge off of my Zulu with dry laps. And Outback sent me his PHIG and a razor honed on it so I could try the edge and hone a razor to see if I could get the same edge he got. BTW, the edge he put on his razor with the PHIG was so sharp it was uncomfortable. Even to a pro shaver like Outback. He warned me about it. I have shaved with his razor 3 times before now and it is just keen as hell! Little razor burn even when being very careful. Checked the edge with my loupe and it was very straight and not chipped, but it felt chipped to me.



First one was the Torrey I finished restoring last week. What I did was to hone it with Naniwa progression up to 12K. Found a little chip so it took a little more work on the 1K but came to a nice keen edge. Then I put it on the PHIG. Must have been about 50 to 70 laps, then another 20 or so with a touch of soap in the water.



The second one was my trusty Kama. I always get the best shave from it. Its got the tiniest bevel. Even with a 40x loupe its hard to see the scratches on the bevel. I touched it up on the 12K then went to the Zulu Dry, while sitting and watching TV for about 45 minutes. Smooth on the stone for sure.



Shave test was just a few minutes ago. What I found was,

Outbacks razor finally calmed down. It was keen still but not as aggressive as it was the first 3 times shaving with it. Nice!

The Torrey on the PHIG by my hand, was comfortable. I felt the comfort of a natural stone but without the rubbery feeling I get with natural edges. Sorry, I don't know how else to describe it except rubbery. But my edge was very nice and felt wonderful.

2 for 2...

My Kama was very smooth. And with it being on a natural stone I did not feel the rubbery feeling, again! It's like as if the 300 or so laps dry, with the weight of the blade only, did the trick. I always get great shaves from this Kama, but this made it more comfortable and a dream to shave with.

After the shave, I grabbed up the Alum and felt next to nothing from it. Splash of Clubman Original and again, next to no burn.
Sorry for going on and on but I just wanted to share my experience of my last honing. I think I might finally be understanding what I'm doing when I hone. Maybe! Its taken long enough, that for sure!

Thanks to Mike for the loan of the PHIG and a super keen razor. I now know there IS such a thing as too damn sharp!

Like I said, Jerry. If the PHIG works for you...keep it.
I spent most of a week, waiting for the bumps to go away, from that edge. I gave that Genco a heck of a lot of leather beforehand, trying to calm it down

Originally Posted by outback

Like I said, Jerry. If the PHIG works for you...keep it.
I spent most of a week, waiting for the bumps to go away, from that edge. I gave that Genco a heck of a lot of leather beforehand, trying to calm it down

Thanks Mike. Very kind of you!
All the leather you put on it and I'm guessing with the 4 times I used the razor, I bet I put another 600 laps on leather. Damn! Sure took a lot to calm it down! Glad I cant hone as well as you.

Originally Posted by celticcrusader

Wow! those striations look particularly bad in my opinion, I wouldn't be happy if I saw those off a 1K never mind a finishing hone.
PS this is one of my edges off a 12K hone at 300 x magnification.

I have to concur Jamie - that edge is certainly not shave ready.....I'd wouldn't move off 1k with striations like that....

Phillip - great effort, thanks for taking the time to take pics....you want a uniform striation meting at the apex, once they meet and the bevel is then, "set", you are now just "polishing" the edge as you move up through the stone levels.

And yes, that's a shot at 300 magnification(and a perfect edge), there are some here who have microscopes and can go higher...you should be looking for that, "mirror" finish...and then of course...the test is in the shave.

Good luck!

Thanks for your inputs,
will go back to the stones and try to achieve better results.

Happy honing!

Originally Posted by Geezer

Song of the day..."Hone on the Range"
Hone of the day, pre-finisher ~8K+ unknown:
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Thanks!
~Richard

doorsch seems to have found the answer, in his video mine is like the hone at the end of the vid:
Hey Richard please check my vid, could be a Pikes Chocolate hone, a mica slate, glittering in the light and looking brownish-blue, slurry then looks more brownish red

https://youtu.be/n36XdMfp9CE