Thread: cannot hone anything

Originally Posted by napoleon

Maybe an important thing that I left out.
The DA was honed by Kenrup and it was great. Since it was my first razor, inevitably, I screwed it up.
Than, I dulled it completely on the glass jar and honed it to almost shave ready condition, using the "one coticule honing" method. It would have had a great edge if I just did a few more dozen laps with the slurry, and go on from there.
And I must mention, I got a new Robuso razor, that I honed up to shave ready, again, using the coti and the next time, using the 4k/8k norton.
About a month ago, I breadknifed the DA to decrease the smile just a little bit. Since then, I can not get it to be sticky on the finger nor cut any hair. There vas NO bevel, but I got the DA to a bevel as you can see on the pics.
Maybe the problem is in the razors (robuso and dahlgren)?
I'll try the Robuso today. What if I get it shave ready
And I will send the razors to a honemeister.

OK at this point I am so lost it ain't even funny, How many razors are you trying to sharpen... Bread knife You never said bread knife before, that is a whole different animal now...


I think you need to pick one razor get it sharp and work on the next one...

Start with the one that has the sharpest blade to the touch that is not shaving now....
Put the bread knifed one aside and wait till later or send it to one of us that does that sort of honing...

Take the sharpest one and give that a go, You also didn't say you had sharpened one to shave ready using the One Coticule system, Bart was trying to help you earlier and he is the master of that system...

I think you need to take a breath and decide on your next move plan out the attack on that blade and get it done....

You can always send them out but don't give up yet...

Problem is 1 person gets too many different opinions + he isn't said everything when he started. At least you now you said what we suppose to know now and people can help more. Please choose 1 person's advise and do it what he says. i am taking myself out to tell you anything (don't want to make more confusion.) GL

Originally Posted by napoleon

I breadknifed the DA to decrease the smile just a little bit. Since then, I can not get it to be sticky on the finger nor cut any hair. There vas NO bevel, but I got the DA to a bevel as you can see on the pics.

Wow, that's certainly the most important piece of information that you omitted. It may look to you like you have a bevel, but from your description you're still not there. Breadknifing is a very serious damage to the edge and takes a lot of effort to fix. The two sides don't meet yet, when they do the razor will be able to cut armhair.
Since you have a chip on the edge that's your guidance - it has to disappear, then you're close to having a bevel the two sides of which meet.

Originally Posted by gugi

Wow, that's certainly the most important piece of information that you omitted. It may look to you like you have a bevel, but from your description you're still not there. Breadknifing is a very serious damage to the edge and takes a lot of effort to fix. The two sides don't meet yet, when they do the razor will be able to cut armhair.

I was thinking just that! The edge polishes, keeps contact all along the hone but it doesn't meet at the end so it doesn't really get sharper.
But than again, why I started this thread, after a few hundred laps on the 220 or 1000, it should be formed..?

Since you have a chip on the edge that's your guidance - it has to disappear, then you're close to having a bevel the two sides of which meet.

The chip is in the other razor. The DA has no chips.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

OK at this point I am so lost it ain't even funny, How many razors are you trying to sharpen... Bread knife You never said bread knife before, that is a whole different animal now...

Well, Ive been buying on e-bay lately I've tried sharpening 2 razors, a DA and a eskiltuna frameback, both had no bevels.

I think you need to pick one razor get it sharp and work on the next one...

Start with the one that has the sharpest blade to the touch that is not shaving now....
Put the bread knifed one aside and wait till later or send it to one of us that does that sort of honing...

You know, I did just that now. I took this french frameback, that was very sharp to the touch, the heel was duller. I did about 30-40 laps on the 1000, concentrating on the heel, 50ish on the 4k, 40ish on the 8k, 100 on the chinese with the slurry, 20 without, 20 laps on CrOx and stropped.
I followed your advice guys- only the weight or the razor, different hold, keepinc spine and edge on the hone all the time, (I didn't tape), did tests after the 1000,4000,8000 and did 10-20ish laps to remove the damage made by the tests...
The razor took a wicked sharp edge! Maybe the problem just might be in the razors

Take the sharpest one and give that a go, You also didn't say you had sharpened one to shave ready using the One Coticule system, Bart was trying to help you earlier and he is the master of that system...

You can actually see the DA before breadknifing on the HHT after the one coti honing (on my youtube channel). The heel was not as sharp. I figured it was due to the smile and my lack of technique. Than I noticed that the stabilizer was too thick so the heel couldn't make contact on the hone. So I ground them down. And than breadknifed the edge thinking it will be easier to hone.
Was I mistaken...



This is the razor I just honed:

I think you need to take a breath and decide on your next move plan out the attack on that blade and get it done....

You can always send them out but don't give up yet...

The HHT with the razor. It passes all along the edge. Under the microscope, the edge is straight (very narrow but even bevel).

YouTube - hanging hair test french frameback