Thread: 'Honemeister' should not be based...

Originally Posted by azjoe

See... it just isn't always as neat and tidy and easy as you might think.

This does not mean that it's a good idea to confuse the newbies by conflating "guy with > 100 posts" with "guy you should get to hone your blade".

And with that, I'm letting this drop.

I vote to keep things as they are, but maybe (if it doesn't involve too much work for the admin staff) space out the post count quotas.
0-25 Newbie
25-100 Shaver
100-400 Barber
400 and up Honemeister. (number choosen as a part of some giveaway criteria)

Rearranging the names of the rank levels would create too much contention.

What's so amazing here is not one person has suggested what to replace the name "honemeister" with to solve the problem. As long as you continue to have the expectation that a rank = honemeister implies some capability then I don't care what count you choose for it, it'll be wrong.

I only see two choices...

• accept that it doesn't mean anything (put a huge sign in the Newbies Forum stating that, if you like... whatever it takes!)

- or -

• change the freakin thing to something else and live with the furor that that creates... just say what it should be changed to.

And with that, I to will let it drop. Oh... and my apologies for being so crabby about this.

No apologies needed, Joe. You've been doing a great job with the site and with being receptive to member suggestions. Here's mine in case people decide to eliminate the honemeister title:
-SRP Fanatic

I'd just like to ditto that - you're doing a great job, Joe. And your explanation of why we shouldn't start messing with things is well founded and eloquent. I could see changing the post requirements - but then you'll have to live with the whole "de-honemeistering" thing.

I say we leave well enough alone. If you send anyone who's a 'honemeister' by number of posts a PM about honing a razor, I'm sure they'll be nice enough to forward it to a real honemeister or point you in the right direction.

the only "rank" system I can come up with that is pretty irrelevant to anything really and might have a little meaning to us here is as follows:

-newbe 1-25
-3/8 26-50
-4/8 51-100
-5/8 100-400
-6/8 401-600
-7/8 601-800
-8/8 800-1000
Larger 1001+

irrelevant and completely arbitrary to any real meaning unless of course someone mistakes it for having to do with that "pissing contest"

but it is all really meaningless.

I'd say leave it as is. It's worked out just fine
so far. Why mess with a good thing.


Terry

Honemiestering aside; I'd say a list of guys that can or will hone at cost might be helpful. Instead of the Moderator identifier, it could say "Blade honer" or something like that. It would have nothing to do with post count.

I don't consider myself a honemiester, nor will I likely ever be. There are just too many facets of straights I have no interest or experience in. Honing them on the other hand is all I focus on.

I think telling anyone to look for a "honemiester" is kinda strange anyway. I assume that definition should be left to 2000+ posts and living in a cottage in Germany.

Originally Posted by AFDavis11

Honemiestering aside; I'd say a list of guys that can or will hone at cost might be helpful. Instead of the Moderator identifier, it could say "Blade honer" or something like that. It would have nothing to do with post count.

I don't consider myself a honemiester, nor will I likely ever be. There are just too many facets of straights I have no interest or experience in. Honing them on the other hand is all I focus on.

I think telling anyone to look for a "honemiester" is kinda strange anyway. I assume that definition should be left to 2000+ posts and living in a cottage in Germany.

Although no one has asked to do this so far, the real "honemeister" guys could, for example, ask to start a "private" group... as the "blabbermouths" did. Then, they could elect to have their "title" (which isn't the same as "rank") indicate their private group name... in this example, honemeister. "Ranks" and "Titles" are not connected in any way. Ranks are post count driven and Titles are Group driven. Currently the groups we have are things like registered, moderator, administrator, blabbermouth, etc. Everyone has a primary group and any number of secondary groups. Most permissions in the forum are group driven... eg, moderators have their "can lock threads" permission set to yes, while registered users have theirs set to no.

I didn't suggest this as a solution earlier because everyone seemed so intent on doing battle over Ranks. IMHO you can't solve the "honemeister" issue with Ranks alone. .. and I've been trying to get that point across all day.

honestly to have it as a meaningful anything we would have to have a subjective set of criteria, wich we will never have because the whole experience is so subjective to begin with.