Thread: Interesting Perspective on the State of American Manhood

Originally Posted by earcutter

Dude... That's simply your opinion! :-)

I will do the research next time before making such assertions.

Originally Posted by gugi

I think that's a rather inaccurate representation
The US congress passes laws firmly based on facts, but those are facts about campaign contributions, district borders, etc. in other words very much like the way ordinary people make decisions - 'what is going to be good for advancing me or at the very minimum for keeping my job'
They are pretty good at it too - the reelection rate is at about 90% and hasn't been changing for a long time.

That's hilarious! And I feel... Accurate! Good call .

Originally Posted by earcutter

News is presenting facts and deciding for yourself.

News is entertainment.I am pretty sure the ratings of C-Span are far behind Fox News. Yes, I feel, that Fox News is entertainment and not News. That is my opinion. However, if I wrote an opinion piece I would make sure it was understood as such. I do not care what format or venue it might be.

Originally Posted by Mephisto

News is entertainment.I am pretty sure the ratings of C-Span are far behind Fox News. Yes, I feel, that Fox News is entertainment and not News. That is my opinion. However, if I wrote an opinion piece I would make sure it was understood as such. I do not care what format or venue it might be.

News was and still is sold as positive information... there is evidence showing that its become normative or "entertainment" today, but that doesn't stop Fox or CNN from pretending they are presenting positive information.

And that's the shame of it all as men now have to decipher between sources to seek truth... The OP's story when googled at least stated right off the bat that it was an opinion piece.

Originally Posted by earcutter

News was and still is sold as positive information... there is evidence showing that its become normative or "entertainment" today, but that doesn't stop Fox or CNN from pretending they are presenting positive information.

And that's the shame of it all as men now have to decipher between sources to seek truth... The OP's story when googled at least stated right off the bat that it was an opinion piece.

The article in no way shape or form states that it is an opinion piece. From the first paragraph he cites a study done in Holland to back up his thesis. I have an issue with that. It was poor writing. Because in the end that study has nothing to do with the body or the conclusion. A study done on lowering testosterone in European countries cannot be generalized to a case study of two American men. His opinions about Martin and Zimmerman is fine. I do not disagree with some of his feelings and interpretations. The end of the article he switches gears and states that it is the result of fatherless homes. WTF? That is terrible writing. He gives no further support than that. Nothing. I do not care if it is an opinion piece. Back your opinion up logically. He might have some weight to his argument but it was written poorly. It did not, for me the reader, make sense. I am not going to apologize for that. He should have stated from the beginning that his concern is with the fatherless children in the world and used Martin and Zimmerman as examples. Or course, the article would be even better if it actually focused on the fathers of Martin and Zimmerman too. JMO.

Multiculturalism and tolerance...both were mentioned over and over earlier in this post,now I'm pretty sure I'll get some heat over my opinion of these terms,but here goes . Yes we live in a multicultural society,and tolerance is a good thing,BUT when these thing are rammed down our throats,in my opinion,that is what causes conflict.I'll explain, If a family of a different culture other than yours moves into your world, (work, neighborhood,etc.) and they make no effort to become part of America,You absolutely have the right not to like them,however you are obligated to tolerate them if they aren't doing anything to harm or bother YOU.I submit that you are allowed to like or dislike anything you like,but you do not have the right to do them harm,but there are people that will tell you that you HAVE to like them or else you are a bigot,racist,or any number of ugly terms,In my opinion that is what starts the trouble.You cannot force everyone to like everyone,there allowed to thier own opinion whether you agree or not,and if they aren't told that they MUST like one group or another,they will in their own time, maybe find tolerance and also maybe find out that they actually like the group or person if left to their own devices. IMHO.

Originally Posted by WhiskerHarvest

The Zimmerman trial is a perfect example of the media taking a bad situation and making it worse. And how convenient it must be for them to have all the protests to cover. They are salivating over the potential for nationwide race riots or further blood shed. What's that? Little Rock! (Smacks forehead repeatedly)

The media is to blame, sure. They love a good race baiting story. As I mentioned in my first post about this issue, it wouldn't have even caught the attention of anyone if race wasn't possibly an element. Funny thing is, the media is only concerned with race when the victim is a minority. But lets not stop there. Our government is also to blame. The mere fact that the president bothered to weigh in on this matter puts momentum behind the protests. And if his moral support for the issue doesn't, the DOJ and their meddling does.

DOJ provided security for anti-Zimmerman protests | The Daily Caller

This is only what we currently know about. Like the IRS scandal, there very well could be more to this that we have yet to find out. But as I watch the chaos unfolding over this stupid story and incident, I have to wonder how much of it is fueled by a sense of justification knowing that there is support for it in Washington, similar to the Occupy Wall St. movement.

Originally Posted by Grizzley1

Multiculturalism and tolerance...both were mentioned over and over earlier in this post,now I'm pretty sure I'll get some heat over my opinion of these terms,but here goes . Yes we live in a multicultural society,and tolerance is a good thing,BUT when these thing are rammed down our throats,in my opinion,that is what causes conflict.I'll explain, If a family of a different culture other than yours moves into your world, (work, neighborhood,etc.) and they make no effort to become part of America,You absolutely have the right not to like them,however you are obligated to tolerate them if they aren't doing anything to harm or bother YOU.I submit that you are allowed to like or dislike anything you like,but you do not have the right to do them harm,but there are people that will tell you that you HAVE to like them or else you are a bigot,racist,or any number of ugly terms,In my opinion that is what starts the trouble.You cannot force everyone to like everyone,there allowed to thier own opinion whether you agree or not,and if they aren't told that they MUST like one group or another,they will in their own time, maybe find tolerance and also maybe find out that they actually like the group or person if left to their own devices. IMHO.

I couldn't agree more with all of this. If I am an individual, I am allowed to decide whom I like and dislike, regardless of feelings. I can be a complete jerk or Mr. Nice Guy, but it should be at my discretion so long as I'm not harming anyone. That's where the personal responsibility I called out earlier in the thread comes in.

Personally, I usually don't have a problem with most folks until they give me a reason. And, even if they give me that reason, I'm usually cordial unless someone causes harm to me or my loved ones. Unless you show me why I shouldn't associate with you, as far as I'm concerned I'm no better or worse than you. We each put our pants on one leg at a time.

Peanut poppers are berry delicious.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

This is only what we currently know about. Like the IRS scandal, there very well could be more to this that we have yet to find out. But as I watch the chaos unfolding over this stupid story and incident, I have to wonder how much of it is fueled by a sense of justification knowing that there is support for it in Washington, similar to the Occupy Wall St. movement.

I just read that the DOJ is still looking into some sort of civil rights violation ever after the FBI has investigated and reported that race was not a factor! Holder is probably busy concocting some goofy law they can use to get their "justice." The actions of our current administration are shameful, divisive, and destructive to "we the people." Don't worry though, this is the "change" we were promised, you should consider spending the weekend near Traverse City!