Thread: Killing of Australian baseball player

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

"Of course, Obama felt the need to use his bully pulpit to tell the nation that if he "had a son...he woudl look like Trayvon."

However, the president did not feel the need to extend his sympathies when a former U.S. Marine was allegedly beaten to death by a group of black men in Georgia.

Nor did the Justice Department take action when the New Black Panthers announced a $10,000 bounty on the head of George Zimmerman, distributing "dead or alive" flyers."

Attorney General Eric Holder refuses to apply the law equally - Norfolk Crime | Examiner.com

I'm gonna put this right out there as a valid question from someone who does not live in your country, and with respect, but also with a degree of dismay.

Is this a race thing?

I thought it was 'just' a 'this guy got killed and it's sad' thing. That's what it is for me, anyway. The guy that got killed could be a Chinese Australian and the killers could be Inuits for all I know and care.

How does this matter what race they are, either one?

Why make this a race thing? Are people in your land talking about this as a race thing? I haven't got all the info, sorry if this is a silly question, we're on another planet down here!

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

I'm gonna put this right out there as a valid question from someone who does not live in your country, and with respect, but also with a degree of dismay.

Is this a race thing?

I thought it was 'just' a 'this guy got killed and it's sad' thing. That's what it is for me, anyway. The guy that got killed could be a Chinese Australian and the killers could be Inuits for all I know and care.

How does this matter what race they are, either one?

Why make this a race thing? Are people in your land talking about this as a race thing? I haven't got all the info, sorry if this is a silly question, we're on another planet down here!

Some people are making into a race thing. Some are saying its revenge for Trayvon Martin. Unfortunately the American media tends to hype things as racism (or to the lesser extent - reverse racism). I think the calls for racism are being made by people without a stronger argument - but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in this country. But racism isn't just about white/black or asian/hispanic, etc. A good argument for that is looking at the american railroad system. It was built on the back of asians and irish.

Duffy's Cut is a good example... I think greed and a lack of empathy or value of human life is the true factor in all of this.

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Just my two cents...

Originally Posted by carlmaloschneider

I'm gonna put this right out there as a valid question from someone who does not live in your country, and with respect, but also with a degree of dismay.

Is this a race thing?

I thought it was 'just' a 'this guy got killed and it's sad' thing. That's what it is for me, anyway. The guy that got killed could be a Chinese Australian and the killers could be Inuits for all I know and care.

How does this matter what race they are, either one?

Why make this a race thing? Are people in your land talking about this as a race thing? I haven't got all the info, sorry if this is a silly question, we're on another planet down here!

Thanks Carl, I didn't really know how to broach that question, but I did wonder the same. I don't think using the death of a young person as a soapbox is in good taste.

Actually the suspect's Twitter account and what he "Allegedly" posted on it are feeding the media about the racial aspect..

All White people are Nasty #hatethem

Dropped 5 peckerwoods so far

(They have not proved that it is actually his twitter account yet)
(Also for you foreigners "Peckerwood" is a slang derogatory term for a White guy)


There are also some pretty convincing video coming up showing some Gang signs and handling a rifle..

It was most definitely racially motivated. This is in response to the George Zimmerman case post. Most people (black people, if that makes me a racist so be it) including my Soldiers know nothing about the case other than a black kid was killed by a white man. “An innocent black kid.”

So I explain, first, George Zimmerman was Hispanic. “Whatever.” I hear. So I then explain that the innocent kid had been expelled from school three times. Was caught with stolen property before. Had drugs in his system. “That doesn’t make it right.”

So I propose a scenario. You live in a peaceful low crime community that is 70% black, 27%white, Hispanic or other. And maybe 3% Asian. Recently, there have been a series of thefts and break-ins in your neighborhood. The one thing these break-ins have in common is all the reports state it was Asian female youths. All were wearing red pants and WWII “Banzai” kamikaze headbands. So you form a neighborhood watch. One night on your watch, you see an Asian girl in red pants wondering around your neighborhood, acting suspicious, stopping and looking at houses, and wearing red pants and a Banzai headband. You stop to ask what she is doing. She says “Fuck you nigger.” You again ask what she is doing. She then attacks you and says you are going to die tonight nigger!” She kicks you in the stomach, knocks you down, bashes your head into the pavement, breaks your nose, picks up a rock and says “You’re gonna die nigger!” at which point you pull out your legally purchased, registered firearm you have a permit for and shoot her, killing her. Should you go to jail?

“It ain’t the same thing sir!” I hear. Not sure how it’s not the same thing.

When I was stationed at SOCPAC in Hawaii, I remember when Barrack Obama was running for president. Suddenly I had a slew of black Soldiers interested in politics. When I asked who they were going to vote for, Obama or McCain they all looked at me like I had a dick growing out of my forehead and said Obama. When I asked them why, they said “cause it’s time for change.” What does that mean? You mean you are only voting for him because he’s black? I knew that was the reason, but I feigned shock. They denied it, saying he was the best candidate. The next day they had another political discussion during lunch. I went and was the only white man in the room. I brought a pamphlet that laid out all of Obama’s ideas and policy beliefs. I began reading them, asking if they agreed with them. There was a resounding chorus of yes. I continued, my comments on his policies growing more sardonic and my tone becoming increasingly sarcastic. “You really believe this fucking bull shit? That we should do X, Y, and Z? Seriously!?” Again, cries of yes! It’s time for change!

At that point I opened the Obama pamphlet and showed everybody that what I was reading was the stance of John McCain and the republican party I had taped to the inside of the Obama pamphlet. (SPECOPS Counter Intelligence Officers are sneaky) “So you just all violently agreed that this is the direction you want the country to go in. I assume you will all be voting Republican on the McCain/Palin ticket on Election Day.

“Sir, with all due respect, please leave.” was the answer. I just did it to prove that they were only voting for him because he was black and I made my point pretty clearly. I then said “How would you feel about me if I said I don’t care what his policies are or what he believes. McCain is white and that’s all I need to know. Would you think I was racist?”

Silence.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Actually the suspect's Twitter account and what he "Allegedly" posted on it are feeding the media about the racial aspect..

All White people are Nasty #hatethem

Dropped 5 peckerwoods so far

(They have not proved that it is actually his twitter account yet)
(Also for you foreigners "Peckerwood" is a slang derogatory term for a White guy)


There are also some pretty convincing video coming up showing some Gang signs and handling a rifle..

Ok. Point taken. I didn't know. I don't listen to a lot of news and it's sort of like the back woods down here in South Australia. we have out=r issues (we're the murder state of Australia) but we do seem very sheltered. I'd be shit scared over there, of EVERYONE!

OMFG! Not sure how anybody thinks this isn’t/wasn’t a race thing. These kids got bored and decided to go kill a white guy. Not a random person, not the first person they saw in a Green Bay Packers hat. Lets go kill a white guy. Their twitter post (it was the kids, it wasn’t hacked or anything) states “Dropped 5 peckerwoods.” Peckerwood is a derogatory term for white.

Pretty sure if I went out and shot a black kid with two white friends and then put on Facebook “Killed a nigger! Yay!” nobody would say “I wonder if this were racially motivated. I have doubts.”

I hadn't heard about the twitter account. If they really did post that.... this should be prosecuted as a hate crime. Now, lets see if Holder has the nads to follow through with it.

Originally Posted by edhewitt

Thanks Carl, I didn't really know how to broach that question, but I did wonder the same. I don't think using the death of a young person as a soapbox is in good taste.

As a foreigner living in Kansas (KS), I'll just throw my thoughts into the fray. But note as much as what I am about to say may anger some, remember this is a mere perception from a single man... as are all the posts here.

You ask - Is this a race thing? Simply - yes. Everything in America is a race thing. When I moved here I was shocked at how much profiling this country/state engages in. It's on every freaking form you fill out here - race is. I really find that America is obsessed with placing everyone in a "box" so they can label it.

Now when I have expressed my shock regarding the issue of profiling in KS, the answer is always the same. It's so we can aid those in need via funding to those communities. And I guess that makes some sense because in KS, there are still large predominately Black, Mexican, or what have you community's.

Now I don't know if that causes the racism that I find so rampant here or not... but I do find my state at least VERY raciest. And that's saying something considering I was beat up as a kid for being white when I lived in Jamaica.

Of course life is cheaper in Jamacia than it is in America, and America has the rule of law on its side. When you see people posting about how upset they are Obama talked to the issue of a black boy being shot but not when a white kid gets shot you really should note the racial undertones. It's open and in front of you to see. The ignorant confuse the issue of justice being misapplied onto a community/race of people that have historically not had law on their side... versus the moral decline of the population when three bored kids go out and shoot a random stranger. Two entirely different topics - but it always becomes about race here - because race relations are awful.

Well that's my take on it.

Originally Posted by Darth

OMFG! Not sure how anybody thinks this isn’t/wasn’t a race thing. These kids got bored and decided to go kill a white guy. Not a random person, not the first person they saw in a Green Bay Packers hat. Lets go kill a white guy. Their twitter post (it was the kids, it wasn’t hacked or anything) states “Dropped 5 peckerwoods.” Peckerwood is a derogatory term for white.

Pretty sure if I went out and shot a black kid with two white friends and then put on Facebook “Killed a nigger! Yay!” nobody would say “I wonder if this were racially motivated. I have doubts.”

Maybe I just heard his poor girlfriend crying on the radio and got sad and turned it off and put on some music?

Maybe I didn't watch all the news bulletins about this as I was trying to forget about all the shit in the world and have a nice time with my kids?

I guess I should apologise for not being fully up with the news about the Twitter account and who killed who in America today and why.

I did actually say "I'm gonna put this right out there as a valid question from someone who does not live in your country, and with respect, but also with a degree of dismay."

I thought that would have demonstrated I was coming at this as an 'ill informed' outsider.

OMFG, sorry for my ignorance.

Goodnight.