Thread: Strike against Syria

Originally Posted by MickR

Why? Power and Prestige. A hand in the pie. Or just because Al Qaeda might have pulled the wool over your eyes, organised the attack to try and bring in "the big stick" to work knowingly, or unknowingly, to their agenda. There are multiple possibilities. Maybe Israel is going for a land grab and the US are backing them with a False Flag operation, being mates and all, you back each others play surely?!


Why should you help anyone? Well, historically the US never has helped anyone, unless there has been something to gain from it for themselves. And I certainly don't think the 'help' being discussed here is what is required. More proof before laying down the blame and raining down the smart bombs is what is needed I think. That darn stick again!!


No you are not "...just a mongrel dog on a chain..." I said (or meant), rightly or wrongly the US can act that way. And from an outsiders point of view the US acts that way because the US feels the rest of the world expects them to. Personally, I'm a bit over it myself, but I can't speak for the rest of the world. I don't see an upside to any of this either, and that is another reason why I would like to see the US., Brits and Froggies sit back and catch their breath for a bit...All the pulling on the chain must be choking them by now surely .

Understand, that I am not against action, indeed the man (Assad) should have been tried long before now for criminal acts, but they need to be acts that he is guilty of, and for that proof is what is needed. But more proof than what was had against Suddam Hussien...Where did those durn WMD's end up anyway?! ...


Mick

Sorry Mick but ya got a little off there, I am asking a simple question and you are answering by agreeing with me

I don't think we should be involved, BUT if we do need to go into anywhere then why would we without a prize ???? Your words here "Why should you help anyone? Well, historically the US never has helped anyone, unless there has been something to gain from it for themselves"

Again, why should we ???

I've been staying out of this for the biggest part and return a day later and there are 4 more pages of opinions, a rather interesting read.

I have a for the wonderful minds of SRP: If I have a skin cancer, a "surgical team" removes the cancer & a bit more just to be sure, right. I wouldn't want to or need to go through a full round or two of chemo right. Here we are all talking about strikes, policing, something that could end up a long journey & a lot of soldiers dead. If something is done, it should be done in the blink of an eye, leaving everyone wondering...what happened? Most of the special forces around the world are under-used, they train and train for surgical missions. Why can't we just wake up tomorrow to "Where did all the bad guys in Syria go?"

Originally Posted by shooter74743

I've been staying out of this for the biggest part and return a day later and there are 4 more pages of opinions, a rather interesting read.

I have a for the wonderful minds of SRP: If I have a skin cancer, a "surgical team" removes the cancer & a bit more just to be sure, right. I wouldn't want to or need to go through a full round or two of chemo right. Here we are all talking about strikes, policing, something that could end up a long journey & a lot of soldiers dead. If something is done, it should be done in the blink of an eye, leaving everyone wondering...what happened? Most of the special forces around the world are under-used, they train and train for surgical missions. Why can't we just wake up tomorrow to "Where did all the bad guys in Syria go?"

Where did all the bad guys in Syria go? Seems to me they're all driving cabs in New York City....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The Arab League at an emergency meeting in Cairo Sunday called on the United Nations and the international community to take "deterrent" measures under international law to stop the Syrian regime's crimes, but could not agree on whether to back U.S. military action.

Arab foreign ministers at the meeting in their closing statement held the Assad regime responsible for the "heinous" chemical attack, saying the perpetrators should be tried before an international court "like other war criminals."



Well go arrest them, don't let the West stand in your way

Originally Posted by Nightblade

After reading this, my mind is made. I agree...that's so incredibly lame on the Arabs part. Really !? Wow. Could that be anymore wishy washy. Yep you(US) go get those bad guys,but well stay right here and contemplate backin you. But you go,.... you go ! They're bad guys and someone has to punish them,. We would but we have a bakesale to prepare for and can't let these brownies burn ya see.....you do understand right ??......WOW we got our own brownies to bake let's sit this one out......

Agreed, none of this is a surprise. It's been the historical norm. So who's this really about. How about Riyadh and Tehran? You got to give them credit. They know the right strings to pull.

Does this sound like a leader to you?

“I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line,” Obama said. “My credibility’s not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America and Congress’s credibility’s on the line."

Obama: I didn’t draw the red line on Syria, world did | McClatchy

Do you believe this guy? Where is the leadership of the PRESIDENT? The way he puts it, this whole business is not his doing. Its the doings of the American people and Congress. He sounds like he is being reluctantly dragged into a situation he'd rather not be involved in and wouldn't be if it weren't for the damn international community, the American people, and Congress.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

Does this sound like a leader to you?

“I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line,” Obama said. “My credibility’s not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America and Congress’s credibility’s on the line."

Obama: I didn’t draw the red line on Syria, world did | McClatchy

Do you believe this guy? Where is the leadership of the PRESIDENT? The way he puts it, this whole business is not his doing. Its the doings of the American people and Congress. He sounds like he is being reluctantly dragged into a situation he'd rather not be involved in and wouldn't be if it weren't for the damn international community, the American people, and Congress.

LMAO and this is a surprise


"It is Bush's fault" has been his standard line for years... and BTW you are a Racist for saying this

Originally Posted by gssixgun

LMAO and this is a surprise


"It is Bush's fault" has been his standard line for years... and BTW you are a Racist for saying this

If being critical of the President makes me racist, I'm in skinhead territory by now.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

If being critical of the President makes me racist, I'm in skinhead territory by now.

Brother, you tread a dangerous path with your political beliefs being as you live in Chicago, in fact I am rather surprised you haven't been escorted to the City limits and summarily asked to "Get Out"

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

Does this sound like a leader to you?

“I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line,” Obama said. “My credibility’s not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America and Congress’s credibility’s on the line."

Obama: I didn’t draw the red line on Syria, world did | McClatchy

Do you believe this guy? Where is the leadership of the PRESIDENT? The way he puts it, this whole business is not his doing. Its the doings of the American people and Congress. He sounds like he is being reluctantly dragged into a situation he'd rather not be involved in and wouldn't be if it weren't for the damn international community, the American people, and Congress.

I understand that you don't like the guy, but you're really trying too hard to twist something obvious into something that it isn't.

Chemical Weapons Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world didn't use to be what it is today - every country felt rape and pillage is their unalienable right every time they could afford it. But at some point most powers that be agreed that that's not going to be the preferred way of doing business anymore, so there's all kinds of agreements of how countries ought to conduct. The problem is that the evaluation and enforcement mechanisms are not very good, so those with the power to do so pick and chose according to their interests.

And if you think US does not have interest in bombing Syria, just wait another week or few and watch the politics of it unfold - not all lobbies are created equal, and the more powerful ones are on the side of bombing.

Originally Posted by gugi

I understand that you don't like the guy, but you're really trying too hard to twist something obvious into something that it isn't.

Chemical Weapons Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The world didn't use to be what it is today - every country felt rape and pillage is their unalienable right every time they could afford it. But at some point most powers that be agreed that that's not going to be the preferred way of doing business anymore, so there's all kinds of agreements of how countries ought to conduct. The problem is that the evaluation and enforcement mechanisms are not very good, so those with the power to do so pick and chose according to their interests.

And if you think US does not have interest in bombing Syria, just wait another week or few and watch the politics of it unfold - not all lobbies are created equal, and the more powerful ones are on the side of bombing.

I don't think there is one person here saying that using CW's was a good thing, the entire civilized world has denounced it...

but pretty much the entire world has backed away from using their Military to stop it

whoops: At this point in time


Oh, and Yes Obummer is doing the Chicago Tap Dance on this, he said it, he got called on it, and now he wants to change it, anyway he can..