Thread: The Knock Out "Game" - Fact or Urban Myth ?

Originally Posted by Sailor

Thait is why we have laws. And parents/school/neighborhood/society who are about to teach them. It's not about president this or president that. We all have our responsibility.
I still have no idea about the knock out game; where do this people get their ideas?

Sailor,in America, the fabric of Family teaching children morals and right from wrong is long gone.
Our sociaty is circeling the drain,we are rome about to burn.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

To attack an alert, and prepared target would be very dangerous for any predator 2 or 4 legged...

Probably why I have not had many problems,
even when I was working in the not so great areas of Detroit.

In the scenario a weapon will do you no good because you might have a couple of guys passing you on the street and in an instant they are on you. Action is faster than reaction so you are down with your weapon in it's holster. If they get one punch on you and you don't go down and all they have is their fists and it's just one of two punches and they split and you shoot them you are in big trouble with the law stand your ground or not. Unless of course the perp is a registered prizefighter and then you can take him out.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

In the scenario a weapon will do you no good because you might have a couple of guys passing you on the street and in an instant they are on you. Action is faster than reaction so you are down with your weapon in it's holster. If they get one punch on you and you don't go down and all they have is their fists and it's just one of two punches and they split and you shoot them you are in big trouble with the law stand your ground or not. Unless of course the perp is a registered prizefighter and then you can take him out.

This is why you must remain alert to your surroundings, give distance, cross the street, keep your nose out of your phone etc.
Yes action is faster than reaction, I have demonstrated this time and time again to people in defense scenarios. The perpetrator may have the element of surprise on their side the first time, after that it is equally applicable but when you act you must be committed.
As to the last part Laws vary, and in some places if you don't try to get away you can still have legal issues even if you were still actively being attacked.

Once again the lump on you shoulders is your first line and best line of defiance.

You know, I get that you may avoid, or minimise the impact of such thuggery through constant vigilance. What I don't understand is why we immediately jump to that side of the equation as the solution.

Surely it would be a far better use of our resources and time as a Society to focus attention on the perpetration side, rather than the protection side?

After all, if you can solve the perpetration part the protection bit gets resolved automatically. Two for one, as it were. That just doesn't happen if you do it the other way around.

But I suppose the perpetration bit is too hard and requires too much effort.

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

You know, I get that you may avoid, or minimise the impact of such thuggery through constant vigilance. What I don't understand is why we immediately jump to that side of the equation as the solution.

Surely it would be a far better use of our resources and time as a Society to focus attention on the perpetration side, rather than the protection side?

After all, if you can solve the perpetration part the protection bit gets resolved automatically. Two for one, as it were. That just doesn't happen if you do it the other way around.

But I suppose the perpetration bit is too hard and requires too much effort.

James.

Pretty words Jimbo

Any hard core solutions ???? What proposal would you suggest to make the most impact on stopping these predators.. Just 1 or 2 ideas ????

Jimbo,
I feel we lost control of that when we started going soft on criminals.
If you watch some of the shows here you hear comments like all I will get is a short bit, no biggie I'll be out in 18 months etc.
If the criminals are not worried about the consequences we will never be able to control it that way.
If the bleeding hearts keep screaming to give second chance and that penalties are to harsh it will never change.
As long as the media keeps making the criminals look like victims and the population keeps drinking the Kool-Aid it is a lost cause.

Many simple things could help with the problems starting with being able to appropriately discipline our children and getting rid of this no child left behind mentality.
Fact is in life you have to work for what you want, actions have consequences both good and bad, and you are responsible for what you do and say.

I am willing to do the work, I do stick to my gun's, unfortunately much of the populace does not.

You may say I'm a dreamer.... but I'm not the only one. Pretty words can activate change.

Hard core solutions? I'm not quite sure what "hard core" means. But just as you obviously think it is ridiculous to focus solely on the left hand side of the problem, so too do I think it is ridiculous to focus solely on the right hand side of the problem. We agree with each other, just from different sides.

By all means protect yourselves. But clearly the most efficient way to protect oneself is to do things so that eventually we don't have to protect ourselves. Figuring out why violence is so rife in some cultures would be a good first step.

James.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

You may say I'm a dreamer.... but I'm not the only one. Pretty words can activate change.

Hard core solutions? I'm not quite sure what "hard core" means. But just as you obviously think it is ridiculous to focus solely on the left hand side of the problem, so too do I think it is ridiculous to focus solely on the right hand side of the problem. We agree with each other, just from different sides.

By all means protect yourselves. But clearly the most efficient way to protect oneself is to do things so that eventually we don't have to protect ourselves. Figuring out why violence is so rife in some cultures would be a good first step.

James.

Sorry Jimbo, but I read nothing there, not one solution, just more pretty words of a utopian idea...


Reading your answers however to the wife just now got the most basic Darwinian solution to the problem

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Reading your answers however to the wife just now got the most basic Darwinian solution to the problem

Not the knock out game but it made me think of this event from just a while back.

Two Michigan Drivers Shoot and Kill Each Other After Road Rage Incident - ABC News