Thread: The Knock Out "Game" - Fact or Urban Myth ?

Originally Posted by irishguy

We call this situational awareness. I've been lucky enough to never been completely out of my senses. But I have been a week or two with a bad headache. We were trained to pay attention and try to prevent being hit in the first place.

Situational awareness. In other circles this itself has been used to unload the accusation of racism. The woman that clutches her purse upon seeing a black man on the street has been used for years as a means to demonstrate this implied racism. The implication also being that her reaction was unjustified. So if we are situationally aware of a crowd of black teens are we again going to be accused of being racist for guarding ouselves and not wanting to be punched in the head? That's the problem with these stories in that they serve to potentially contradict those who have long insisted that reactions like those were unjustified. Hence the media blackout on the topic. It doesn't fit their version of reality.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

No Clue Jerry, what have yee in mind??

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Can you spell VIGILANTE? Look what you started again, Jimmy.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

You may say I'm a dreamer.... but I'm not the only one. Pretty words can activate change.

Hard core solutions? I'm not quite sure what "hard core" means. But just as you obviously think it is ridiculous to focus solely on the left hand side of the problem, so too do I think it is ridiculous to focus solely on the right hand side of the problem. We agree with each other, just from different sides.

By all means protect yourselves. But clearly the most efficient way to protect oneself is to do things so that eventually we don't have to protect ourselves. Figuring out why violence is so rife in some cultures would be a good first step.
James.

I've read both of your posts Jimbo & I could not agree with you more. Common sense dictates the path that you laid out, but even a common sense approach to street violence requires participation from more than just one party/side. Determining the root causes of crime like the one explained in the OP, have been discovered & well documented. Tons, literally, of dollars have been & are being spent on the root causes. Many people outside America believe that America is a country of the "haves & have nots" this is clearly not so. There is a wide margin of us in between that started as "have nots". Some of the people getting knocked out are hard working middle class individuals that have contributed their money, their time to better their community.

The individuals that are assaulting the innocents on the streets, are not looking for jobs and if you were to offer each of them a job starting at $50,000 a year, how long do you think an individual like that would last before he is fired?
It is well known what turns these individuals into predators, cancers on society. America has many social services and assistance programs that are available if you just apply & try your best. If you can't make it in America, then you can't make it anywhere.

There will always be predators & until we figure a better way to dwindle their numbers by intervening before they become predators, then the only option in dealing with them is putting them down.

All animals must drink at the water hole, environmental awareness is a must to survive.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

There will always be predators & until we figure a better way to dwindle their numbers by intervening before they become predators, then the only option in dealing with them is putting them down.

All animals must drink at the water hole, environmental awareness is a must to survive.

This is true. But what is the motivation here? Typically you think of violent crime on the street motivated by financial gain. A person is attacked, their money and belongings stolen. That's not the case here. These attacks are driven by hate and disrespect, something we've been led to believe that skinheads and the KKK had a monopoly on. But if we alter that assumption and start to see racism as something distributed equally among all of us it could change our opinions on a lot of things. The danger for those that would rather you not connect these dots is that you might start to question a lot of things that have been and are done in the name of righting racist wrongs.

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Originally Posted by OCDshaver

This is true. But what is the motivation here? Typically you think of violent crime on the street motivated by financial gain. A person is attacked, their money and belongings stolen. That's not the case here. These attacks are driven by hate and disrespect, something we've been led to believe that skinheads and the KKK had a monopoly on. But if we alter that assumption and start to see racism as something distributed equally among all of us it could change our opinions on a lot of things. The danger for those that would rather you not connect these dots is that you might start to question a lot of things that have been and are done in the name of righting racist wrongs.

I don't know. This question is above my pay grade. Yes, I see what you see, black on what appears to be mainly white victims. I give it my best guess; I feel that a human predator will choose the victims that will provide the least amount of resistance, the best chance of success & cause the least amount of repercussion should they fail in the act(get caught). Yes, I think race plays a part in this type of crime, but only to the extent of tolerance that in the past 20 years (accelerated tri-fold the last 5 years) has been created in the black community. Remember,,a predator does not care if his victim is white, black, blue, man, woman or child; he only cares about the end result. Like we have seen in the videos, the victim's met the criteria that I stated above.

Here's an interesting change happening close to home;
Miami Gardens, Florida, I do believe has taken the Country in violent crime per square mile. We loose several people a week. It is 12 miles from me. The city government was changed about 2007. Prior to the change, Miami-Dade Police covered the city, as it is in that county. The city started becoming violent about 10 years prior. The citizens complained about the County cops were being to agressive in their approach to control the area. Black leaders in that community & black leaders from surrounding areas saw a chance to take the city for themselves. The County was more than eager to give it to them. Miami Gardens elected themselves a black mayor, appointed a black chief. They thought that they had an answer, by color & culture, that only they could understand the city's problems. They poured millions into the police department, community & hired experienced officers, with the top pay scale in the state & signing bonuses in the tens of thousands. The predators laughed at them, crime is ten-fold; now 90% of the crime is black on black. Many in the community want the County cops back. Many openly say to the news crews, due whatever has to be done just help us.

I don't know what motivates young men to do this type of crime as mentioned in the OP; I can only guess & I hate to guess about anything. There are men & women amoung us that have schooling and degrees that deal with the human mind, hopefully they will start providing solutions that work, to prevent their numbers from growing.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

I feel that a human predator will choose the victims that will provide the least amount of resistance, the best chance of success & cause the least amount of repercussion should they fail in the act(get caught). .

If this is true, then there really is no need for hate crime legislation. I personally don't agree with the concept of hate crime legislation but it acknowledges that crime is sometimes motivated by something other than the level of resistance they might encounter. I realize my comments are cutting close to the bone but I think it's about time we simply call it as it is or how it appears to be and leave the perps with the burden of trying to explain their actions.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

If this is true, then there really is no need for hate crime legislation. I personally don't agree with the concept of hate crime legislation but it acknowledges that crime is sometimes motivated by something other than the level of resistance they might encounter. I realize my comments are cutting close to the bone but I think it's about time we simply call it as it is or how it appears to be and leave the perps with the burden of trying to explain their actions.

Being a former police officer I'm not for hate crime legislation.

I believe that the desire to hurt, rob or kill another runs a lot deeper into the soul of a predator, than the dislike that a predator may have for another's skin color.

I do feel though, that many predators, black or white, see race as an added bonus to the act.

Crime is motivated by desire, you want to do it or you don't. .

I probably wouldn't make a very good psychiatrist,,,I know.

Just so you know that color does not matter to the predator;

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