Thread: Cecil the Lion

Cecil's death made it to the limelight. Beautiful animals are killed daily for the mere fun of it by ugly people.

Zimbabwe's colonial name was Rhodesia, called after Cecil Rhodes. Rhodesia is dead and so is Cecil.

Irony -

I waited another day for the outrage, the # demonstrations. the huge outpouring of angst from PETA and the Hunting Haters of the world but I got crickets.. Chirp Chirp Chirp

Something that was truly and absolutely a crime no question, no doubt, a crime against the Animal Kingdom and humanity yet ........ Crickets
No demonstrations no celebrity calls for justice...

Not a chirp from the same people that denounced an innocent dentist that loves to hunt, earns his money and spends his money to do so legally


Does anyone even know what I am talking about ??? well animal defenders of the planet ????

See you have to actually look for this because it didn't meet the agenda, the only way I found it was from other hunters that were outraged...


Four killed trying to stop elephant poachers in Congo

I too was, and am surprised over the silence, post ruling.
Also feel sad for the wardens gunned down in that story. Seems they were woefully outnumbered.
And so it continues.....

Sweet Mary mother of you know who. Life is cheap in that part of the world isn't it. An old west gun fight over Elephant poaching. I am glad to see that the elephant poachers are being pursued and that people are trying to save the remaining herds. However I have to say that killing people over ivory is pretty extreme. I have to say what is it all coming to. I know that it is all about the pursuit of money, by those who are desperately poor or desperately greedy or some combination. It is also disheartening to know that the death of one lion caused more of a media storm than the deaths of eight people. We as a global society have certainly got the cart before the horse in many respects. It surprises me that we have a very well funded terrorist group protecting the whales (and they need protection) and gun fights over elephants, all of it boils down to money. There are the very poor that wind up getting sucked into the harvesting, however there are also very rich people that are putting up the cash to fuel everything. This is a philosophical discussion that is way past being able to casually discuss it on the forum. It is unfortunate that more people with giant buckets of money are not more conscientious about what they do to influence some of the events that go on around the world, and that we chose to make certain events very big, all the while ignoring much larger going ons.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Irony -

I waited another day for the outrage, the # demonstrations. the huge outpouring of angst from PETA and the Hunting Haters of the world but I got crickets.. Chirp Chirp Chirp

Something that was truly and absolutely a crime no question, no doubt, a crime against the Animal Kingdom and humanity yet ........ Crickets
No demonstrations no celebrity calls for justice...

Not a chirp from the same people that denounced an innocent dentist that loves to hunt, earns his money and spends his money to do so legally


Does anyone even know what I am talking about ??? well animal defenders of the planet ????

See you have to actually look for this because it didn't meet the agenda, the only way I found it was from other hunters that were outraged...


Four killed trying to stop elephant poachers in Congo

Yea,not much you can do once a governmental decision is made. As the article originally quote stated, even the President of the Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe seemed puzzled by the decision to not lay a charge against the dentist.

As for game wardens and officials being killed while attempting to protect wildlife going unnoticed, it is disappointing that it does not receive the same level of attention. In Africa in particular this has been happening for a long time. It happens in other places too but not likely to the same extent. That still does not change my view that the Zimbabwean government made the wrong final decision on the matter.

The effort to protect wildlife, even to the cost of human lives being lost, is not directly relate to the killing of Cecil the Lion. If anything the decision of the Zimbabwean government makes a mockery to that sincere and costly effort.

Bob

Tangentially, Glen, I recently read that scientists are studying how elephants as a species are essentially cancer-free (4.8% mortality rate according to one article). Elephants may likely help us eradicate cancer.

How about that ugly irony?

Originally Posted by RezDog

Life is cheap in that part of the world isn't it.

You my friend win the prize! Had the great misfortune to spend some time in Somalia some years back. "Toilet" is one of the more charitable nomenclatures one could assign to the region. Until you see it for yourself, you simply can not grasp how far this region has devolved from modern Western societal convention.

The problem with colonialization isn't so much in the act itself, it's what happens after the effort has failed, and the indigenous persons are left to their own devices with one foot in the 21st century and one in a mud hut.

Take a stone age warrior culture, modernize it just enough to eliminate its historical means of self management and self government then leave it, totally destabilized. Add an abundance of locally grown stimulant drugs, and mix in easy access to cheap and abundant modern weapons. Now let them know that some resource they have the ability to control is in demand by westerners with cash to pay any price for it.

How do we fix it? We don't. We can't, and shouldn't try. The toy is broken beyond our means to repair under modern convention. Maybe if we step away and leave the culture alone for, oh, say 1000 years or so, the native cultural conventions will once again restore order to the region. But don't expect it to conform to Western standards of "Civilization".

The same apathy we see in the Cecil the Lion situation, is what created the problem in the first place.

Wow this could seriously be a long discussion that leads far away from the base post in the first place.
Mike, I almost hit the like button after reading your post, but like doesn't really say it correct. I concur.
The colonization impacts either failed or successful is a long deep and slippery slope of discussion all unto itself.
It has not worked well for indigenous peoples anywhere.

Am in the minority here for sure,but I see nothing wrong about what the guy did.
All his paperwork was in order,no harm,no foul.
General thought is, ultimatly,the locals would have killed cecil for killing thier livestock.

More consequences from the # outrage


'The Cecil effect': Zimbabwe park warns it may shoot 200 'surplus' lions - World - NZ Herald News