Thread: UK out of EU

Originally Posted by RobinK

Actually, that "cut and paste link" is the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. You should probably read it before trying to engage in a conversation. Because if you have not understood what the 116 instances of "unanimous" mean, you are bound to make yourself ill informed.

Treaties? Oh, like the Treaty of Versailles? Yes, much is written on paper, what transpires tends to be radically different.

Much like the EU turned out to be, as is proven by Brexit, and the growing agreement that individual countries don't want to be told what to do by a bunch of technocrats in Brussels...the Leave vote simply legitimized that the current state of the EU is not palatable to many member states, and that concern is growing, and the fear in Brussels rising exponentially, as manifested in its increased bullying behavior and hamfisted approach by Merkel.

Originally Posted by Phrank

Treaties? Oh, like the Treaty of Versailles?

Very much so. Only that your country's Tory government signed it on its own accord.

May I humbly suggest that you actually read that document before you embarrass yourself any further?

Originally Posted by RobinK

Very much so. Only that your country's Tory government signed it on its own accord.

May I humbly suggest that you actually read that document before you embarrass yourself any further?

How about you explain Merkel's role in this...until you belly up to the bar and explain Germany and Merkels failed policies in this debacle, you're just ignoring a legitimate analysis of the discussion. Most of the world's press, both on the left and the right, has squarely placed much of the blame for this on Merkel.

You have yet to acknowledge this or offer any constructive analysis of Germany's and Merkel's policies in regards Brexit, and the eroding of other member nations in the EU; hence, your carping and braying about reading treaties is a lame attempt at deflection.

Originally Posted by Phrank

How about you explain Merkel's role in this.

But I have, Phrank. It is in the treaty your country signed. As stated several times before, feel free to read it, and look for the word "unanimous".

I am really sorry, Phrank. I would like to help you understand the basics of the EU. I have showed you the treaty. Unfortunately, I cannot make you understand it. Believe me, I would like to. If only to help you save yourself further embarrassment.

Originally Posted by Phrank

How about you explain Merkel's role in this...until you belly up to the bar and explain Germany and Merkels failed policies in this debacle, you're just ignoring a legitimate analysis of the discussion. Most of the world's press, both on the left and the right, has squarely placed much of the blame for this on Merkel.

You have yet to acknowledge this or offer any constructive analysis of Germany's and Merkel's policies in regards Brexit, and the eroding of other member nations in the EU; hence, your carping and braying about reading treaties is a lame attempt at deflection.

Guess you do not like Germany and Merkel much. But i'd like to know what you think she has personally done wrong?

If you want to criticize the Union that is ok but you should really get to know how decisions are made here, in a parlament elected by a vote or comission, elected by democratically elected government. Unanimoysly, which has been both blessing and curse. Merkel cannot decide anything the member states do not want.

Then, if you want to be the part of the Union trade you have to accept the negotiated rules. No-one is forced by accept, it is their own wish.
Norway, for example, pays the whole lot of money and follows the directives to get into market union. They do not have to, it is their own wish. They cannot pick cherries from the cake, but they cannot decide the union rules either. It is rather take it all, leave it all. Up to you to decide.

If UK, another example doesn't want to fulfill the norms regarding to safety, ie directives no more, that is up to her wish. But they can't sell cars to union any more. What would you think the owners, mostly Germans, Chinese and Japanese decide to do about it? It is the globalization that hits next. That is not EU to decide.

Originally Posted by RobinK

But I have, Phrank. It is in the treaty your country signed. As stated several times before, feel free to read it, and look for the word "unanimous".

I am really sorry, Phrank. I would like to help you understand the basics of the EU. I have showed you the treaty. Unfortunately, I cannot make you understand it. Believe me, I would like to. If only to help you save yourself further embarrassment.

Robin, your typical bully-boy behaviour and deflection on legitimate questions do nothing but remind me of your continued, "head in the sand" mentality when met with opposing viewpoints.

On another recent thread, you were back to telling everyone all the 14 razors were Herkenrath blanks, even though the CEO or Revisor pointed out that you were incorrect and gave you multiple examples.

You refuse to address Merkel's policies, so spare us the tantrum and take your toys and go home...like you always do.

Originally Posted by Phrank

Robin, your typical bully-boy behaviour and deflection on legitimate questions do nothing but remind me of your continued, "head in the sand" mentality when met with opposing viewpoints.

Phrank, would you mind terribly reading that treaty, please? Because your "question" is not a question. Thank you kindly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djwkhXkvPkI

Nothing like a little humour to break the tension, eh.

Bob

O.K. I've read 9 pages so far, but can anyone tell me who thought up of the E.U.? IMO Britain should have never joined it in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you should NEVER hand over your economy to a bunch of folks who have never been elected for the position they hold. Too me it stinks to much of communism. BTW, Who or what entity decided that a E.U. would be a good thing, I'll make a small bet that the folks who thought that a E.U. would be a good thing have become stinking rich on the backs of its weaker members.