who likes custom knives?

**Jonedangerousli** · 07-05-2007, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by PapaBull

Believe it or not, a knife is more dangerous in close quarters (less than 12 feet) than a gun.

Police are taught that anyone armed with a knife should be considered a deadly threat at 12 feet or less.

Guns make a bullet sized hole. A knife can do so much damage with one stroke that survival is a virtual impossibility. Best bet is avoiding both gunfights and knife fights.

Actually knife "fights" are rarely what we think of as classic knife vs. knife hand combat. It's usually one guy armed with a knife dispatching someone who isn't armed with a knife. This kind of stuff is really common in the worst parts of South Africa and the Phillipines and some other places where knives are the weapons of choice.

I'll agree that a knife can make serious damage and should be considered a deadly weapon. As a paramedic I had the opportunity to work on victims of both firearm and edged weapon attacks.

Pistols make bullet sized holes, going IN. .45 cal 230 gr Hydrashoks center mass. My 12 ga loaded with 000 buck at 12'. I'll take either against a knife any day.

LOL. J.

**Bruno** · 07-05-2007, 07:18 AM

In close quarters that shotgun will be terribly clumsy.

You had better keep your distance if you point it at someone. If you come close enough to the person you are holding at gunpoint he can take you out before you know it.

On of the stupid things you see in movies is people holding a gun to someone elses back/head. Doing that in real life is a surefire way to end up lying on your back without a gun, wondering what just happened.

Have you ever seen the movie 'heat' with Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino?
Someone is holding a gun to DeNiro's back outside a hotel room, and the way he disarms that man is how I was taught to do it.

**Jonedangerousli** · 07-05-2007, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Bruno

In close quarters that shotgun will be terribly clumsy.

You had better keep your distance if you point it at someone. If you come close enough to the person you are holding at gunpoint he can take you out before you know it.

Given that the only place that a person might have to opportunity to be on the business end of my shotgun (Remington 870, 26" barrel, pistol grip) is in my home I can guarantee you that they are not going to get within 12' of it. I don't "point" it at anyone. If I'm in a situation that I feel the need to pick it up I'm going to use it. Period. I have a small house that is relatively easy to defend- there are no areas that would be out of range, so if I've picked it up I am going to use it.

**gratewhitehuntr** · 07-05-2007, 01:35 PM

I think Tom Cruise is the biggest nerd ever but here is a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI1_-a0coag

**Jonedangerousli** · 07-05-2007, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

What was the topic here again?

At one point somewhere, although I can't remember if it was this thread, I'd asked you what rifle?

I like your ammo rotation, btw. I keep a handful of slugs for reloading, although if 5 didn't do the trick I'm prbly f*cked anyway.

**gratewhitehuntr** · 07-05-2007, 03:06 PM

oh yeah, it was the immigration bill thread.
I hadn't responded because..... it's more that you want to know

Winchester Model 70 Black Shadow......$500
300 Win Mag
hand lapped 26" barrel (done myself)
original fiberglass stock has been glass and pillar bedded w/ 2 pounds upward pressure at tip of fore stock (done myself)....$20
C&H mercury recoil reducer fitted in buttstock ....don't remember, $100 maybe?
Pacmyr (sp) Triple Magnum after market recoil pad ....$50
Harris (I think) telescoping bi-pod 12- 24 inch .....$110
1907 shooting sling (had it) .....$20
Simmons 44 Mag 12.5 - 20X lighted Mil-Dot reticle ......$120 on clearance
Leupold rings and bases.......$65
trigger pull reduced to 1 1/2 pounds (done myself)

Lyman T-Star press .....$60
Lee Dies...... $25
8 pounds MilSurp IMR 7828...... $45
Sierra Matchking boat tail hollow point 190 grain box of 100....$29.49
100 federal large rifle primers #210........ $2.29
( I omitted a large number of reloading tools and facts here because it's all gibberish to you anyway)

Shoots 1 5/8 @ 300 five shots from a cold barrel

Knowing that if I can see it, I can kill it.........priceless

**sensei_kyle** · 07-05-2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by minstrel

While this would be the best course of action with untrained knife wielders, I have seen demonstrations on TV of Pekiti Tirsia (a filipino fighting technique) by special forces where they trained to use a knife against opponents with firearms. Of course, their aim was to silently move in to free a hostage... Pretty scary to see what a trained guy can do with a knife.

One of my fellow instructors studied Pekiti Tirsia. It's beyond pretty scary to see what a trained guy can do with a knife. The number of cuts delivered in under a second was mind boggling. He's shared a little of his training with a few of us, started working on the basic ideas.

And GW is right. Inside of 21 feet, a knife guy wins over a gun practically every single time. We experimented with this a few years ago during part of our martial arts training. I know 21 feet sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. If a police officer can't draw his sidearm from a duty holster, drawing from a concealed rig seems to be a near impossible deal.

**Jonedangerousli** · 07-05-2007, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by sensei_kyle

One of my fellow instructors studied Pekiti Tirsia. It's beyond pretty scary to see what a trained guy can do with a knife. The number of cuts delivered in under a second was mind boggling. He's shared a little of his training with a few of us, started working on the basic ideas.

And GW is right. Inside of 21 feet, a knife guy wins over a gun practically every single time. We experimented with this a few years ago during part of our martial arts training. I know 21 feet sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. If a police officer can't draw his sidearm from a duty holster, drawing from a concealed rig seems to be a near impossible deal.

Given that I'm just about 100% sure that I'm not going to have a martial arts expert break into my home I'm pretty confident that we'll never have to find out.

**gratewhitehuntr** · 07-05-2007, 05:24 PM

Mr Joni

If you would like to add a couple slugs you should try these.
http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_s...Mini-Slug.html

I think they go 3 for 2 in the mag ie. take out 2 buck and put in 3 slugs
(don't hold me to it)

Seems to me I could fit 9 or so in a 5 round mag and like 14 in a 8 round.

a 386 gr .72 diameter bullet at 1250 fps is nothing to scoff at either.
Not to mention the reduced risk of shooting your neighbor.... in the 6th house down.... two blocks over....

I have concrete inner walls in my house though so I use full power ammo.

Make em take cover !!!

**Jonedangerousli** · 07-05-2007, 05:35 PM

GW, have you tried these mini-slugs? I think I'm going to order a case to try.

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