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Regardless of how you view the Ukraine situation from whatever sources you choose to believe, Ukraine is/was an sovereign country at the time of the Russian invasion. The only question is what the rest of the world should/can do to keep Ukraine a sovereign country.
Bob
What I find to be ridiculous is that the MASS buildup of Russian troops on the border with Ukraine has been going on for a long time. If they were involved in arming and aiding Ukraine BEFORE it may have given them pause. Hypothetical of course. We can never know the answer but we know now that doing nothing before was not helpful. And that has been written all over the history books if anyone cares to read it.
Unfortunately holding huge military exercises near another countries border is a common tactic designed to keep the other side on alert and guessing. That was done constantly during the cold war in Europe by Russia and NATO. The majority of the time it turns out to be brinkmanship and not a prelude to invasion. Hindsight being 20/20, it would have been better to have helped the Ukraine militarily while those exercises were going on and not wait for the invasion to begin. We have to deal with the situation as it stands today though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill31521
Bob
Hindsight is 20/20. But they did grab crimea in 2014. So we didn't learn then and we may not learn now. Lol.
Learn what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill31521
If any large superpower decides to invade another country what is the world going to do? If we invaded Canada what would the world do? Hold meetings? Condemn us? Invade us? Put sanctions on us?
If china invades Taiwan it would be no different.
Nuclear War is no different. All it takes is one world leader to decide well me and my family are safe and enough of my population survives so we could win.
Maybe an EM Pulse weapon over mid america and our electrical grid is fried for good along with Canada and Northern Mexico. The U.S would be back in the 1800s and our population would be around 10% of what it is now within a year or so. Maybe N Korea could use it and Russia and China sit back and laugh their butts off.
By the way INS stands for the Immigration and Naturalization Service which was disbanded and rolled in Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
LOL, You lot already invaded Canada, thats why the Whitehouse got painted white to hide the burn marks.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Anyway we are both in NATO so your not allowed to invade us again and we might get in trouble for kicking your butts
Well your mentality is a defeatist one. There's plenty to do besides letting the biggest kid on the school bus take your lunch money. Give them hell and give as good as you get. And you will fight less battles. The sanctions will cripple Russia if they keep them going long enough. There's ALWAYS something that can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Defeatist or realist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill31521
You talk in generalities not specifics. The bully on the school bus doesn't have a nuclear bomb in his pocket.
We've gone pretty far with sanctions and with a country like Russia where the population is being fed a bunch of propaganda you reach a point where sanctions just bring the population together to view the West as the evil ones. Some think that way already. A view is forming where Western Corporations were damaging the "Heart and Soul" of Russia. Good riddens to them. Unless they overthrow him Putin isn't going anywhere and he doesn't care about his soldiers or population.
If nuclear weapons didn't exist the world could march in and throw Russia out but that ain't gonna happen. The nuclear card changes everything. We are in uncharted territory here which is why everyone is walking on eggshells here.
Yeah everyone except Putin.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Sooner or later we have to act regardless of his threats, he can only hold the whole world's feet to the fire for so long before someone say's sod this.
So once again we come to the cost benefit equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by STF
The question to ask yourself is how good a gambler are you? The stakes may be too high depending on the cost and benefit. If you loose you loose everything.