Thread: In defense of Sarah Palin

Originally Posted by Navaja

The "illiterate electorate", and I include myself in that group, needs to know that the Health Care program that Obama is advertising, has been in place for many years, and supported by all Presidents, it's called the Welfare Program, he could change the name, expand it a little bit to include illegal immigrants, but not much, because that costs money, and that's about it

Thanks for another right wing platitude.

Why would you call yourself illiterate, you seem to be able to read and write but hey.

The christian thing is to sit by and let your fellow human die because he doesn't get the care he needs, or lose everything because he got sick, those are very christian ideals.

I hope the McCain/Palin (Palin/McCain) campaign keeps on their strategy, keep beating the dead horse and preaching to their own choir, because basically they are not getting any new votes just keeping the ones they got and the Democrates would never get anyways.


The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
-- John Adams

Here's what a famous figure had to say;

Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the State as they call it.

Originally Posted by Hutch

The christian thing is to sit by and let your fellow human die because he doesn't get the care he needs, or lose everything because he got sick, those are very christian ideals.

I find this statement to be inappropriate and very offensive. I respect SRP, but I cannot let this one go by without speaking out.

I too find it offensive, thats why I brought it up. I find it offensive that people care so little about their fellow man.

The GOP who prides it self on being the party of the christian right (or has been taken over by), that's what their policy is. So If you don't like it don't get mad at me, get mad at the GOP or for that fact the christian right.

If you disagree please participate and tell us your thoughts on a health care policy rather then trying to stop debate by feigning to be hurt by someone discussing an actual policy.

If you're really interested listen to the Nixon tapes when he talked about health insurance and Kaiser Permanente, there was a Republican really looking out for the little guy.

I think Hutch is speaking of the political activities of the Christian Right -- groups like the Christian Coalition and Moral Majority, and their fellow travelers. They were the ones who politicized religion in this country, and the emerging tone of this thread, I think, amply demonstrates the unwisdom of that decision.

j

Not only has he turned this thread into a distasteful attempt to bash conservatives, but he is also insulting Christianity. If I were to defend my religious beliefs and my conservative viewpoints, or to state my opposition to liberalism, not only would it be inappropriate for this thread, but it would likely be seen as retaliation and I would be banned from SRP.

Being a Christian, his statements are offensive, that’s all I’m saying and I will leave it at that.

That's the problem the inability to seperate ones spiritual beliefs from the politcal machine that organized religion has become. My comments are about those that use peoples faith to further politcal agendas that truthfully are the opposite of the teachings of Christ.

If religious organizations want to play in politics then they are subject to the scrutiny that any other lobby group is under.

I doubt Christ would have had anything to do with either party.

Originally Posted by Hutch

That's the problem the inability to seperate ones spiritual beliefs from the politcal machine that organized religion has become. My comments are about those that use peoples faith to further politcal agendas that truthfully are the opposite of the teachings of Christ.

If religious organizations want to play in politics then they are subject to the scrutiny that any other lobby group is under.

I doubt Christ would have had anything to do with either party.

Does this not equate also to the "left" and its God, or pantheon rather, of socialized medicine, abortions on demand for reason, the extremes of NAMBLA and other affiliated groups, percieved destruction of the nuclear family, the ability of the state to dictate from on high and at a distance even the most miniscule of trade, etc. etc. etc. One's religion may not contain a "God", per se, but even the unbelievers rabidly worship at the alter of unbelief. I do agree with you that Christ probably wouldn't have much to do with either party as a party. "Render unto Caeser", as it were. Also, the question I posed is not a gauntlet thrown to anyone, simply an observation that what the extreme Right does, so does the Left. And when viewed from a distance, seems to be for the same reason. ("I'm right and I'm going legislate you into heaven!" "I'm right and I'm going to remove those silly blinders of an archaic belief system from your eyes and make you see that mankind is the the zenith of wisdom!" In other words, "I'M RIGHT!")

Originally Posted by Mike7120

Not only has he turned this thread into a distasteful attempt to bash conservatives, but he is also insulting Christianity. If I were to defend my religious beliefs and my conservative viewpoints, or to state my opposition to liberalism, not only would it be inappropriate for this thread, but it would likely be seen as retaliation and I would be banned from SRP.

Being a Christian, his statements are offensive, that’s all I’m saying and I will leave it at that.

Oh, I don't know about that. On this site, I've been called a "liberal babykiller," a communist, I've been told that what I've said was "unamerican, and I've been told that I have obviously forgotten about 9/11, among other things. Nobody's been banned to my knowledge.

At this point, I think you might accept that what's being said here is not an indictment of faith, but an opinion expressed that some political activities made under the banner of some portions of organized religion are hypocritical.

j

And so it goes. It seems impossible to discuss politics without the discussion diverting to religion and once that happens the conversation degrades into silly, namecalling nonsense. I can see why more wars have been fought and more people killed in the name of one god or another. Religion is a volatile substance. Like gasoline it should be kept in its appropriate container and used with extreme caution.