Thread: Presidential speech to our children.

Originally Posted by northpaw

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Brilliant!

Originally Posted by JMS

Interesting. A lot of sarcastic input. I still haven't read his prepared speech in any kind of thorough manner, but our President has yet to show us that he can be trusted.

And no matter what he does, he never will. Because he's an evil socialist. or something... The only president you would trust would be a republican.

Originally Posted by JMS

I wonder if there is a person on this board who can articulate their views in favor of Obama and his speech without resorting to sarcasm but rather give us an honest summation of their thoughts.

I haven't read the speech itself, but I don't see how it is bad that the president of a nation addresses the kids in school. As president, giving speeches is kinda his job.

Originally Posted by Bruno

And no matter what he does, he never will. Because he's an evil socialist. or something... The only president you would trust would be a republican.

You are making assumptions Bruno.

Originally Posted by northpaw

Seriously, what's the harm with the text linked in #1? The idea that one should work hard? That the struggle to overcome adversity is worth it?

He should have mentioned the glorious war against terrorism

Originally Posted by JMS

You are making assumptions Bruno.

True, but they aren't unfounded. Based on our past discussions, I'd say the only way you'd trust a democrat would be if he is only a democrat in name, and a republican in nature. There is a wide ideological gap between both parties atm, and you disliked Obama enough that you voted for Palin / McCain.

The chances of you changing your mind (same goes for me so no offense) are slim, so the only way for you to end up trusting a democrat would be if he crossed that gap towards you.

Originally Posted by honedright

Nothing to say Gugi? Really?

Well, you just said that you don't object to the speech itself, but to the fact that it is delivered by Obama: a person who did work hard to end up where he is today, beating odds that would have been beyond astronimical when he was young.

At this point, discussion becomes pointless because gugi is talking about objections to the speech, while you are talking about objections to Obama.

Originally Posted by joscobo

I remember being told for the previous eight years that like him or not it was the duty of every American to support the president no matter what and especially in war time. America love it of leave it, I heard a lot.
Well fellas, the U-Hauls are waiting.

Originally Posted by Bruno

True, but they aren't unfounded. Based on our past discussions, I'd say the only way you'd trust a democrat would be if he is only a democrat in name, and a republican in nature. There is a wide ideological gap between both parties atm, and you disliked Obama enough that you voted for Palin / McCain.

The chances of you changing your mind (same goes for me so no offense) are slim, so the only way for you to end up trusting a democrat would be if he crossed that gap towards you.

Very unfounded. I vote for whom I trust has Americas best interest at heart. I do not trust Obama and I do not trust McCain. I think Obama only has his notions of what he believes this country ought to be and come hell or high water, no matter the wishes of the majority or the constitution he will do everything he can to make his Ideals happen. McCain I believe was only looking out for himself and his own legacy. I voted for him because I trusted Palin wished to do the right thing by America and her people.
It might interest you to know Bruno that I never once voted for Bush in either primary and held my nose when I voted for him to be president. The people I trust rarely make it to the general elections.. Reagan did. I trusted him. And so did a large percentage of democrats.

If you didn't like Bush or McCain, you shouldn't have voted for them. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils seldom works out. There's a reason why there are 3d parties.

If people keep voting for the lesser of 2 evils, so to speak, then the current bipolar face-off will never end. Neither party will feel the need to shape up, and their success will only depend on how bad the previous administration did.

By voting for someone you detest (as in your example: Bush) you send the message 'You are doing fine'. He doesn't know (or care) that you only voted for him because you liked candidate Y even less. All he cares about is that he got the vote.

Instead of rewarding people who represent your ideas (I have no idea but for the purpose of the example: Ron Paul), you reward people who do not represent you. Your voting pattern effectively hamstrings your own ideals because you tell the party in power that you agree with what they do, and you disagree with the 3d party that represents you in spirit. This means that Ron Paul will remain insignificant.

Otoh, if someone like Ron might get enough votes to be noticed and to make a difference (like nader did in 2000), then the big parties will start fighting for that mindshare. Even if that means that the big 2 will never be the big 3, the ideas of Ron Paul might find their way back in the oval office.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Well, you just said that you don't object to the speech itself, but to the fact that it is delivered by Obama: a person who did work hard to end up where he is today, beating odds that would have been beyond astronimical when he was young.

You seem to forget my previous posts. Funny how that happens. Yes, Obama is pathetic. Really this speech is nothing more than kissing babies to gain favor and more than likely trying to up his approval rating. Comes across as nothing less than demagoguery to me.

Let the president inspire kids by being a great U.S. President. He might start by upholding his oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, rather than trying to skirt around, and/or dismantle it.

I'd rather he inspired by actions, not meaningless platitudes and pretty speeches.

Originally Posted by honedright

Let the president inspire kids by being a great U.S. President. He might start by upholding his oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, rather than trying to skirt around, and/or dismantle it.

Like the past 8 years you mean?