Thread: DEMOCRACY WILL FAIL

Originally Posted by sparq

Because I feel that many people *still mind*. OTOH, we have a "Change" going on so that wont last long either.

Unfortunately, I think you are sadly mistaken... the people only mind when it is not "their guy" pushing them towards 1984. If it is their guys, they either willfully ignore it or cheer on as it happens.

Originally Posted by MichaelP

Unfortunately, I think you are sadly mistaken... the people only mind when it is not "their guy" pushing them towards 1984. If it is their guys, they either willfully ignore it or cheer on as it happens.

Perhaps, but again, this is IMO a recent evolution of things. Our leaders no longer unite the society, they polarize it more and more.

I will let the others chime in. Is the "live free or die" slogan dead already?

Originally Posted by sparq

Because I feel that many people *still mind*. OTOH, we have a "Change" going on so that wont last long either.

Sadly, I think the number of people who still "mind", "mind" enough to really do anything proactively even if it would ultimately be a failed attempt to revert this IMO undeniable progression mentioned is a very small number.

Divide and conquer
Don't talk about politics or religion
Watch a ton of TV in your own home
Forget about knowing your neighbors and instead, fear them.
The list goes on and on.

Chris L

Originally Posted by Bruno

Mind you, we seem to be chugging along just fine without doom.
Many western Europen countries have socialist elements in their government structure, and they seem to manage. So I suspect that the US can manage too.

here is the problem with thoughts like that. we do not want to be like other countries and just chug along. this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA not some communist/socialist trash. we are the great experiment and we worked just great until the last couple of decades when everyone started wanting everything for what they think is free. just look at the tax rates in those countries that are just chugging along. look at the survival rates for their health care as compared to ours. look at the restrictions they have placed on them by their type of government. we do not want to just chug along, we want to be the best and the greatest and fastest. we still have the potential for even greater things to happen. we will not have this if everyone has a hand out wanting more and more.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Well you have a choice between the 'tax and spend' democrats and the 'cut taxes and spend even more republicans'. Name your poison ?

Some choice eh Jimmy? So why'd we paint ourselves into THAT corner?

Originally Posted by Bruno

Mind you, we seem to be chugging along just fine without doom.
Many western Europen countries have socialist elements in their government structure, and they seem to manage. So I suspect that the US can manage too.

Even people in Cuba can manage, will that be the new American Dream?

I guess I didn't run fast enough, it's catching up with me again

Originally Posted by honedright

Some choice eh Jimmy? So why'd we paint ourselves into THAT corner?

Gospel of John; 2:23, 2:24.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Gospel of John; 2:23, 2:24.

Sorry, you lost me there.

Originally Posted by 59caddy

look at the survival rates for their health care as compared to ours. look at the restrictions they have placed on them by their type of government. we do not want to just chug along, we want to be the best and the greatest and fastest.

If we want to see ourselves as the best and the greatest we ought not compare our survival rates to theirs. Personally I don't need to be the 'best and the greatest'. That is the sort of mindset that led to empire building and to me that never benefited the world. I'd rather the world was united and helping each other than competing.

They may be just chugging along but according to the World Health Organization report here a child is twice as likely to die by age 5 in the USA as in Belgium. The stats aren't all that great for health in the "best and greatest" compared to many other countries that have universal health care in common.

Originally Posted by honedright

Sorry, you lost me there.

He didn't trust in man because he knew what was in man. IOW, ain't none of us worth a damn.