Thread: GOD, COUNTRY, DUTY AND HONOR

The christians are more covert about it...


Militant Extremists in the United States - Council on Foreign Relations

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Don't be scared Glen. Unfortunately there is no sure way to determine who the good non-fundamentalist non-wacko non-extremist peaceful Muslims are. Also there are not masses of Christians Jews Buhddists or any other group blatantly vocally and openly intent on killing and destroying America Americans and American soldiers.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Unfortunately there is no sure way to determine who the good non-fundamentalist non-wacko non-extremist peaceful Muslims are.

I would like to know what is your opinion on the possibility of a sure way to determine who the good non-fundamentalist non-wacko non-extremist peaceful Christians are.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

Also there are not masses of Christians Jews Buhddists or any other group blatantly vocally and openly intent on killing and destroying America Americans and American soldiers.

What do you think the American sentiment would be if we were occupied by a foreign nation? My guess is that we'd be pretty intent on killing them and their soldiers, too.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The question is, can Muslims be in the Military with Jews and Christians, there by forming an alliance with them, and can they fight other Muslims in this alliance ... Is that true??? Is it good enough that Congrees declares war, or do we need an American Imam to declare war also....

Well the answer is yes. And the reason is exactly the same that the Jews, Christians or many other relligious persuasions are able to. Namely the common way these religions are practiced is pretty similar - i.e. pick and choose the bits you like and the vast majority of people pick the bits that are consistent with living in organized society and reject the ones that are at odds with it. Clearly people can hold extremist views regardless of their specific religion, so the criterion is not the specific religion, but whether or not their views would be detrimental to performing their job.
The other religions crept into the conversation only to illustrate the point that regardless of how much misunderstanding of the way isalam is commonly practiced, it is not all that different than other religions that are more familiar to the posters.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Now some have said it depends on how devout they happen to be,,, well DUH !!! if they are not good devout Muslims, there is no problem, is there???

Well depends on what you mean by devout. If you equate devition with extremism then yeah, no 'truly devout muslims' should be allowed, and no 'trully devout christians', or 'trully devout jews' should be either, because their scriptures have equally dangerous bits that can, and have be taken out of the big picture.

How about the danger of roman catholics serving in the army in any capacity. Who can be sure where their true allegence realy is, USA or the Vatican?

I mean you can't just pick randomly a religion and start making wildly unsupported accusations, unless it is very centralized one and has been demonstrated to be inherently violent, and islam isn't either of these.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

second it was religiously motivated...

And the problem generalizing it to 'that specific religion is violent'. The logically correct deduction is 'his interpretation of that religion was violent', especially considering the billions others that have non extremist interpretation of the same religion (and if you tell me that then that's a different religion you shouldn't be using the word 'islam' to describe his beliefs).

Originally Posted by gugi

I would like to know what is your opinion on the possibility of a sure way to determine who the good non-fundamentalist non-wacko non-extremist peaceful Christians are.

There isn't G. But of course a huge mass population of them is not a threat, are they?

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Originally Posted by commiecat

What do you think the American sentiment would be if we were occupied by a foreign nation? My guess is that we'd be pretty intent on killing them and their soldiers, too.

But we aren't. Are we? (yet)

Was going through some pics and found this. Since we are talking different religions, I will use this excuse to post this.

Pretty hilarious, and practical.

"We know Hassen was a Wacko, but he did not just run in and kill people, he did not scream "Your all aliens that want to eat my brain" HE SCREAMED "Allah Akbar" so that to me is proof of two things!!!! First, it was a hate crime, second it was religiously motivated..."

So if a Christian/Jew/take yer pick/ wacko had done the same thing but yelled "God help me!" rather than "Allah Akbar", we could similarly make the same conclusion??

Originally Posted by billyjeff2

"We know Hassen was a Wacko, but he did not just run in and kill people, he did not scream "Your all aliens that want to eat my brain" HE SCREAMED "Allah Akbar" so that to me is proof of two things!!!! First, it was a hate crime, second it was religiously motivated..."

So if a Christian/Jew/take yer pick/ wacko had done the same thing but yelled "God help me!" rather than "Allah Akbar", we could similarly make the same conclusion??

I will let you know when it happens.... But yes I would think that some abortion doctors might say the same about Christians....

I think there is a slight difference here though, don't you??? Although you are pretty left leaning BJ (only from my obsevations of your stances on SRP) so perhaps you are all about everyone is a victim some how???? You could clear that up for me though with a truthful answer here... Hassen..... Death Penalty????? assuming he pulled the trigger but that is pretty much a given....