Thread: Christmas poll

Originally Posted by TheBaron

You are correct, people to this day are willing to die for their faith without ever actually seeing Jesus, So it could be reasoned that the apostles could have been willing to die for their faith without ever seeing Jesus.

Not bad! .

Please STOP !!!! those books point blank state they don't have proof...
in fact reading them changed my mind from thinking there was empirical proof of a "Historical Jesus" to knowing there isn't...

Again conjecture and personal opinion. People wanted evidence outside of biblical references here it is. Now I'm am asking for rebuttal evidence from outside sources. If you are so sure these works do not contain proof you must have evidence to back up that statement.

2.) To every other Christian on here quoting scripture, Hmmmm hello we don't believe, that just doesn't prove anything to us....

Again this proves willful unbelief can not be changed no matter what information is brought forward as evidence.

3.) The argument that everything else can't be proved either, Evolution, The Big Bang etc etc: just doesn't work, that is like saying well those aren't facts so mine must be... sorta like Mom taught you, two wrongs don't make a right...

Yeah, 2 wrongs may not make a right but 3 lefts do! (I agree with this one)

(4) What does is matter anyway???? again you have Faith, anything you hear, you believe, since when does proof mean anything to believers????.... in fact proof would negate the need for Faith...

You have Faith, anything you hear, you believe? This statement is so wrong in so many ways I don't where to start. Proof does not negate faith. Those who have found faith through the search for proof will most definitely say the same thing proof backs up faith and if by chance it was to contradict it down a true believer would figure out why and how. Again rebuttal evidence would be nice.

5.) Do you Christians also believe in Ghosts, ESP, Precognition, Magic, Clairvoyance, Demons, Spirits, different Dimensions, mind over matter etc: etc:??????

Let see, ghosts no, ESP unsure, Precognition unsure, Magic & Demons yes as evil, Clairvoyance just another name for ESP & Precognition, Spirits Ghost spirits no demon spirits yes as evil, different Dimensions unsure, mind over matter I only mind when it does matter.

Originally Posted by Miner123

But people were willing do die before renouncing their faith, and it continues to this day. That is strong medicine.

Besides that, what would they possibly have to gain by conning anyone?

You are right in this.
People were/are willing to die for their beliefs. They were/are also willing to kill for their beliefs.
In case of the religions consider taking away the reason to behave so. What's left?
Ain't aiming this towards any religions, but rather for people who are so willing to do such things just because they believe (but not know) to be right.

I think i said this before

Originally Posted by TheBaron

You are correct, people to this day are willing to die for their faith without ever actually seeing Jesus, So it could be reasoned that the apostles could have been willing to die for their faith without ever seeing Jesus.

Where would they have gotten such strong beliefs from? To be willing to die for a belief I would have to be totally convinced. Millions of people have been so convinced. Let that sink in.

Originally Posted by Sailor

You are right in this.
People were/are willing to die for their beliefs. They were/are also willing to kill for their beliefs.
In case of the religions consider taking away the reason to behave so. What's left?
Ain't aiming this towards any religions, but rather for people who are so willing to do such things just because they believe (but not know) to be right.

I think i said this before

Yes, you're right. People get wrong ideas. Can you believe it?

Our survival instinct is probably the strongest of all our instincts. You may kill someone else but dying is another matter.

I have faith that there was.

Originally Posted by ENUF2

Again conjecture and personal opinion. People wanted evidence outside of biblical references here it is. Now I'm am asking for rebuttal evidence from outside sources. If you are so sure these works do not contain proof you must have evidence to back up that statement.

HUH ?????

You want evidence to prove that a myth doesn't exist????

OK ya lost me on that one...

BTW I don't think Ra, Zeus, Jupiter, Odin or Poseidon exists either, do I have to prove that too????? or will you just take my word for it ???

Originally Posted by ENUF2

Let see, ghosts no, ESP unsure, Precognition unsure, Magic & Demons yes as evil, Clairvoyance just another name for ESP & Precognition, Spirits Ghost spirits no demon spirits yes as evil, different Dimensions unsure, mind over matter I only mind when it does matter.

Wellllllllllllllllllllll sure ya do, you said it...not me, if you believe in the Bible that is what you believe in, all the stuff I mentioned, just in another name... oh BTW toss in aliens and raising the dead.. hmmm ZOMBIES!!!!!..

Jupiter exists. If the sky is clear tonight, check due south about 30 degrees up from the Idaho horizon shortly after dark

Originally Posted by gssixgun

HUH ?????

You want evidence to prove that a myth doesn't exist????

OK ya lost me on that one...

BTW I don't think Ra, Zeus, Jupiter, Odin or Poseidon exists either, do I have to prove that too????? or will you just take my word for it ???

That's a good point, besides ridicule or utube video's do you have any?

And by the way, how many people today do you know that worship Ra, Zeus, Jupiter, Odin or Poseidon besides a perhaps a few small cults?