Thread: Christmas poll

Originally Posted by ENUF2

PS
Faith is not blind it is Heart felt and informed.

Faith is the reality of what hoped for, the proof of what is unseen.
Heb 11:1 HCSB

So, your heart has eyes and a brain?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I posted this thread to find out if people believed that Jesus was a person who actually existed (i.e.- was actually born, seeing as we are celebrating Christmas, I thought it appropo), not as to whether or not He was the Christ, religious beliefs, etc.

For many pages the historical validity of his existance was debated, prior to taking a turn into discussions about faith vs. reason or what not.

In my previous witty, and cunningly crafted () post in regards to Socrates I am not so much calling into question the merits, or not of philosophy, science, et al, but rather the fact that I think most folks believe that Socrates actually existed, even though all we have to go on is the same "facts" as we have in regards to Jesus, that being, accounts written about him by the people who were close to him.

Right you are. My apologies for being off-topic. I'll say "Yes", Jesus the person existed. My only concession on the topic!

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

So, your heart has eyes and a brain?

Is love scientifically proveable?

If not, does that mean that it does not exist?

How can you prove that your girlfriend loves you? Or that your mother or father loves you?

Can you prove that you love the smell of Tabac?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Is love scientifically proveable?

If not, does that mean that it does not exist?

How can you prove that your girlfriend loves you? Or that your mother or father loves you?

A series of chemical/electrical reactions in the brain based upon presupposed attraction qualities, preferences, smells, looks, attitudes, etc.

EDIT: and for families, the relationship is instinctual, but not absolute. We call it love. And sometimes it doesn't work out between family members, just like in the wild, too.

It's just as provable as a bad dream via sleep test. And I imagine lying about being in love ought to be provable via polygraph, too (provided you aren't a secret agent trained in "beating the box").

In all seriousness, these are HUMAN reactions and HUMAN qualities, not supernatural. Faith is also a human reaction, but that does not mean it can't be misguided. People are wrong, inherently, more often than not. Especially when talking about emotionally charged topics.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Can you prove that you love the smell of Tabac?

Sneaky! You slipped that one in under the radar.

And that's the easiest one to prove... watch the smile creep across my face when I lather up.

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

A series of chemical/electrical reactions in the brain based upon presupposed attraction qualities, preferences, smells, looks, attitudes, etc.

EDIT: and for families, the relationship is instinctual, but not absolute. We call it love. And sometimes it doesn't work out between family members, just like in the wild, too.

It's just as provable as a bad dream via sleep test. And I imagine lying about being in love ought to be provable via polygraph, too (provided you aren't a secret agent trained in "beating the box").

In all seriousness, these are HUMAN reactions and HUMAN qualities, not supernatural. Faith is also a human reaction, but that does not mean it can't be misguided. People are wrong, inherently, more often than not. Especially when talking about emotionally charged topics.

I will be conducting polygraph tests in my household on a weekly basis forthwith!

I may also include electro-shock therapy to go along hand in hand to condition-response my subjects into making me the love of their lives!

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

People are wrong, inherently, more often than not.

Which people are wrong more often than not - the materialists, the supernaturalists, or those who don't know what they believe?

And if they're all wrong equally, who is right enough of the time to know that?

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I will be conducting polygraph tests in my household on a weekly basis forthwith!

Okay but don't believe everything you read from that poly machine! You might have to hook yourself up to it as you interpret the results so that you guard against lying to yourself. I'm not sure how you'll check that, you might have to grab another one of those inherently wrong "people" to help out

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Which people are wrong more often than not - the materialists, the supernaturalists, or those who don't know what they believe?

And if they're all wrong equally, who is right enough of the time to know that?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Seraphim

I posted this thread to find out if people believed that Jesus was a person who actually existed (i.e.- was actually born, seeing as we are celebrating Christmas, I thought it appropo), not as to whether or not He was the Christ, religious beliefs, etc.

Seraphim,

Sorry for being one of those who took it offtopic.
I believe there was a man named Jesus.

My intention in any of my posts, was not to question your, or anyone elses faith or right to believe the things he/she might have chosen.

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe;511281
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Originally Posted by [B hoglahoo[/B] Which people are wrong more often than not - the materialists, the supernaturalists, or those who don't know what they believe? And if they're all wrong equally, who is right enough of the time to know that?

Yes.

The polygraph machine is our master and our king!