Thread: Christmas poll

Damn, this thread is still going, gonna take me a few days to catch up the the conversation.

Originally Posted by Sailor

I think that we possibly might get nowhere with this threat about the man named Jesus.
So maybe we should change into some other famous person of worldwide interest.

Do you believe that there ever was/is a human-man person named Harry Potter?

Yes, Harry Potter did exist. Hermeiny, Ron, Dumbledorf and numerous others witnessed it. They put themselves in harms way just being around Harry. Why would they have put themselves at risk of persecution from Voltamort if he didn't exist?

Originally Posted by TheBaron

Damn, this thread is still going, gonna take me a few days to catch up the the conversation.



Yes, Harry Potter did exist. Hermeiny, Ron, Dumbledorf and numerous others witnessed it. They put themselves in harms way just being around Harry. Why would they have put themselves at risk of persecution from Voltamort if he didn't exist?

Ain't that a Proof ? Hallelujah !
And it gets even better. Even if we were able to get an access of some reliable sources of the taxation/census archives of those times in Britannicum, there surely would be some marks that a man named H.P. really existed ?
But hold your horses. Maybe we should have some patience and wait (some 100-1000 years) and let the people of those later days to find the Proof by themselves

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Originally Posted by hogaloo

Oglethorpe,

I hereby award you the first SRP Conversation forum dead prize for unequaled skill in promising to not beat a dead horse and then continuing to beat it following the very next reply in-thread.

Congratulations!

May your horse-beating days be long and fruitful



Actually I have enjoyed reading your posts, and not only in the Jesus thread

Merry Christmas,

- [hogaloo]

See, this forum is my crack cocaine.
Ok. Now I'm really gone from this one.

Cheers guys,
G

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

It is a source of amusement that atheist and agnostics jump on religion so vehemently. If there is no God it wouldn't matter what the Christians believe and they would be content to let us go on deluding ourselves.

Hey MinniesMate;

With all truly respects. I can speak only for myself, but i think that i have ever put your (or anybody elses) faith under question. As my honest opinion you have a right to believe in God (you have chosen). I respect it.

To say that those who do not share your faith, or have no faith at all, are wrong, is another matter.

Hey, if the three wise men were named Balthazar, Gaspar, and Melchior, there was definitely a mom who named her child Jesus!

Merry Christmas, and happy Birthday Jesus!

Ralph S.

Originally Posted by Oglethorpe

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See, this forum is my crack cocaine.
Ok. Now I'm really gone from this one.

Cheers guys,
G

( Hmmmm ..... I think the cheez done fell off o' his samwich.)

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

My point, which went way over your head is that time and space are inextricably linked and an increase in one yields an increase in the other.

Not necessarily. New research shows that space and time may decouple under extreme conditions like those at the beginning of the universe or perhaps under the shearing force of an ultra fast expansion. As I understand it much of this theory relies on the absence of the Higgs bosum field and most scientists belief we will find Higgs bosum particles within the next few years.

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

For every increase in the size of the Universe there is an incredible increase in time.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Are you a physicist? You sure don't sound like it so I'd politely recommend some more study before you go making these spurious claims.

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

The atheist says there is "no God".

This is wrong. Atheist refers to someone who does not hold a belief in any gods. Not quite the same thing as declaiming that there are no gods. Atheism includes, but is not limited to agnosticism although the two terms are popularly disseminated.

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

For this reason I respect the atheist more than the agnostic because at least the atheist is willing to make up their mind and take a side.

It is the doubting mind which deserves respect. Unrigid, it is prepared to accept whatever comes even when those details contradict what may have been held as evident in the past. Embrace uncertainty.

Originally Posted by MinniesMate

It is a source of amusement that atheist and agnostics jump on religion so vehemently. If there is no God it wouldn't matter what the Christians believe and they would be content to let us go on deluding ourselves.

Except that religious people are prone to certain failures that sceptics are not such as flying planes into building and lobbying the government on behalf of stone age morality, holding tax exempt status as well as stunting young minds with concepts like hellfire and unquestionable faith in unsound mythology. There are a lot of reasons to oppose religion. Once it has the same influence on society as UFOlogy and astrology, I'm sure no rational person will really care that much any more.

( Hmmm ... I think the cheez done fell off o' his samwich too.)

Originally Posted by ZMKA

That's a very biased website. It states that it is obvious to any thinking person that there is a God, but it is obvious to me that there isn't one. And to presume that the only reasonable way the universe could exist is if God created it, begs the question, "Then where did God come from?", to which the uber-religious reply, "It is not for man to question God! That is arrogant!". So in reality, their circular reasoning proves nothing but a pre-existing condition of faith-based faith, rather than anything fact-based.

If man could prove the existence of God, it would've happened already.

Maybe you should have a look at this...

SAB Contradictions

Yes it is a bias website no more than any other since all opinions are biased. Where did you find the statement "that it is obvious to any thinking person that there is a God" I haven't been able to find it because that would be a contradiction with the bible which states "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe".
I also don't believe it said "to presume that the only reasonable way the universe could exist is if God created it" I believe it says something to the effect There are 3 basic thoughts on how the universe began and if you rule out 1&2 You are left with 3 (I'm trying to keep this simple it's been another long day. Oh wait I know there is only 24 hours in a day it just had the perception of being longer.)

And to the question,"Then where did God come from?" My Bible says "In the beginning God......" Thus since time is not infinite but finite had a beginning and God was there before it began. And for the statement, It is not for man to question God! This is non Biblical also. Proverbs 25:2 says: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings."
As to "faith based faith rather than anything fact-based" I like what it says in their statement of faith.
We believe that the Christian faith is not mere blind faith but faith in evidence (Acts 1:3), which should be explained lovingly to others (1 Peter 3:15).
And also their who we are statement
Faith Facts is a Bible-based, para-church ministry not affiliated with any denomination. Our mission is to further the gospel, that more may find a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the blessings of Christian living.

As for your statement "If man could prove the existence of God, it would've happened already." As it has been said countless times God can not be proven or disproven. I will say you either have faith there is a God or you have faith there isn't. It has to be one way or the other since there is no proof.

As for your website the skeptics annotated bible, What bible are they using their own? Is it a phrase for phrase or word for word translation? What original manuscripts did they use for their source? Has any Christian convention or seminary accepted it's use? If you truly study the Word (not just a single version but multiple texts especially since our language is so bland compared to Hebrew, Greek, & Aramaic)and use what is known about History, culture, and geographic region. I would wager to say every thing they call "contradictions" would be validated as non-contradictive and be found true. I would love the chance to sit down and "test" every one their contradictions but since I do have a family to take care of and ministry to do I can honestly say I haven't the time. I did bookmark the site though and I will peck through them on occasion. Study skills always need sharpened and if I find something I can't debunk then I know a couple of Seminary Professors who will be more than happy to help.

Since it is Christmas eve and we all have gotten way off target and we have used utube videos I have one that is not PC so if you may be offended please do not watch. Personally I'm not PC and this is pretty much to the point.

YouTube - Christmas With a Capital "C"