Thread: Christmas poll

Originally Posted by 59caddy

homosexuals cannot reproduce and that my friend is "a damn good thing, or we would become extinct"

You might want to clarify this statement 59caddy as it seems to me that if homosexuals could reproduce then sex between them would be natural and we would not become extinct.

Originally Posted by JMS

You might want to clarify this statement 59caddy as it seems to me that if homosexuals could reproduce then sex between them would be natural and we would not become extinct.

well, lets put it this way, if it were two true homosexuals, they could not reproduce...by the laws of nature...if homosexuals could reproduce, then we would have not a need for the opposite sex. and to me and the MAJORITY of normal people that would be a bad thing....

Originally Posted by xman

Let your god out of this. We are men discussing you and I. Please explain to me how slavery is a good thing.


You are mistaken. Capital Punishment - world, body, life, history, person, human, The Purposes and Effectiveness of Capital Punishment, International Trends, U.S. Trends



Homosexuality is as normal as having red hair. It is pervasive in the animal kingdom. It may even serve an evolutionary purpose even though those genes will not be passed on through homosexual behaviour.
List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Homosexual behaviour in animals: an ... - Google Books

I didn't say that it was necessarily a good thing, just that it is a fact, whatever you want to call it. You are 'bound' to someone or some system no matter who you are. No man is an island.

That anti-cp stuff is just self-proclaimed do-gooder propogandist nonsense by self-righteous slobs trying to make us think that they are better than the rest of us, that's pretty pathetic when you are so low that you have to pretend to defend the lowest of criminals to feel better about yourself.

Just more nonsense by people trying to shove their immorality down everyone elses throats and force us to accept their beliefs. The only 'evolutionary' purpose that it would serve is the 'natural selection' mechanism which does nothing more than weed out what doesn't work.

There is an old saying X, and anyone else who cares. It may be out of the bible. I am not certain but it goes like this: "You are either a slave to one or a servant to the other" Now that I think about it it was Jesus. He was talking about the impossibility of serving two masters.

There is no such thing as freedom you are either a slave to sin or a servant of God. We like to pretend we have control and we even try and fool ourselves by using words in certain ways that make us feel better and in control but the truth is rather simple. We are a slave to all or the servant of one.

Originally Posted by xman

Justifying immorality for 2,000 years.

Morality-: a doctrine or system of moral conduct : particular moral principles or rules of conduct
: conformity to ideals of right human conduct
: moral conduct : virtue

Virtue-: conformity to a standard of right : morality
: a particular moral excellence
: a beneficial quality or power of a thing
: manly strength or courage : valor
: a commendable quality or trait : merit
: a capacity to act : potency
: chastity especially in a woman

Immorality would be the opposite of these right? Doesn't sound much like Christianity has been justifying immorality to me.

Slavery, bonded servitude, serfdom or whichever way you want to equivocate it, is wrong. An all knowing, all loving god would communice this to its creation.

Capital punishment is an ineffective deterrent, therefore simply vengeance and barbaric, particularly stoning. Starvation is also effective and barbaric for its suffering as well. Leaving aside that capital punishment in a modern society is madness in action, even in ancient times, beheading would have been a compassionate directive.

A "slave" or "Bonded Servant" was only one step under "Family" back then. I don't know of any employees these days who can say they are treated with that much respect. Just because more modern man oppressed whole races of people does not mean that was always the status quo.

Capital Punishment is not a deterrent it is just what it is called "punishment" As per God's word the Government not only has the right but the responsibility to protect its people. If you kill a killer they certainly cannot kill again. There are crimes that need this type of punishment that's why they are Capital offenses. Stoning is one of the world's oldest form of execution and it was a community action not a personal vendetta. Starvation is also effective for its suffering as well? Stoning is actually fairly quick unlike starvation which is very slow. Being more "civilized" capital punishment does not need to cause suffering, the point is to take them out not to make them suffer before taking them out.

Homosexuality is certainly not 'filthy' or anything similar. As sexual conduct between consenting adults it is as all other such acts, perfectly normal, displayed throughout the animal kingdom regularly in virtually every genus. Yes being gay is just another way of being normal as evidenced by nature.

Homosexuality was on the list of mental disorders until 1973. As conduct between consenting adults it is not normal. Normal is conforming to majority practices and/or thinking. With that in mind it is not normal in nature either since heterosexual is the norm, it is abnormal.

And as for tolerance, everyone is intolerant at some point. To some it's pollution, to others religion. Crowds, noise, gun control, you name it and someone is intolerant towards it. Calling Christians intolerant is showing intolerance especially when you have no clue why we think the way we do. If we were intolerant why would we try so hard to help others? We know not everyone will accept Christ because not everyone will heed the Father's call but that should not stop us from helping others. It's that love your neighbor thing. Actually it's more, love your enemy and do good to those who would persecute you.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

That anti-cp stuff is just ....

Still no evidence.

Originally Posted by JMS

... you are either a slave to sin or a servant of God.

Sorry, this would a false dichotomy if both sin and God® weren't fictional (or at the very least unsupportable) and as such reason dismisses them as the products magical thinking.

Gentlemen all, I submit that we have made no progress here between the rock of doubt and the hard place of stubbornness. Opinions are like @$$holes after all as we know, everyone's got one and they all stink so unless you can back up your claims, well then we're just driving this thread further and further from its intent. Please let's not continue with, "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't".

Originally Posted by JMS

There is an old saying X, and anyone else who cares. It may be out of the bible. I am not certain but it goes like this: "You are either a slave to one or a servant to the other" Now that I think about it it was Jesus. He was talking about the impossibility of serving two masters.

There is no such thing as freedom you are either a slave to sin or a servant of God. We like to pretend we have control and we even try and fool ourselves by using words in certain ways that make us feel better and in control but the truth is rather simple. We are a slave to all or the servant of one.

I'll go ahead and quote it for you or anyone else - Matthew 6:24 - No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. - Jesus. Though I am sadly somewhat confident that X is in a self-chosen perilous rejection of the text.

Originally Posted by xman

Sorry, this would a false dichotomy if both sin and God® weren't fictional (or at the very least unsupportable) and as such reason dismisses them as the products magical thinking.

Please explain.

Originally Posted by JMS

There is no such thing as freedom you are either a slave to sin or a servant of God.

Actually, I like to think of the choice as a 'master of the sin or slave to God'. Of course, others would rather see it as 'servant of sin, or slave to God', and yet some would rather be 'master of God', than slave or servant to anybody

Originally Posted by JMS

Please explain.

Is your Google finger broken?
False dilemma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
magical thinking - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

So because those notions demand a belief in a specific form of supernatural mysticism, the either-or which fails to include even other forms of the supernatural, but more eloquently natural reality, doesn't even matter because as a reasonable, sceptical person (oh, I try) I can't take any of that seriously.