Thread: Germany's top court says army can use weapons on German streets in extreme situations

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

The Richard Riot in Montreal back in the late 1950s when Clarence Campbell suspended The Rocket for the duration of the season plus the playoffs!
Back on topic: the last thing I could call a German riot that I recall was November 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down...but I don't think I would call that a riot, more of a celebration!

So maybe Joed has a valid question! What are the Germans prepping for?

I didn't know Germany couldn't use arms on their own people! What a great and awesome thing to have as law!! It's too bad they are amending that!

Originally Posted by earcutter

So maybe Joed has a valid question! What are the Germans prepping for?

I didn't know Germany couldn't use arms on their own people! What a great and awesome thing to have as law!! It's too bad they are amending that!

Like I posted, welcome to the new Star Court.

I do not know about Germany but it might be just a simple thing, really.'

Up here the armed forces have a rules, based on levels of using the force. Level zero (just like any civilian) to level nnnn.

Not so many years ago some politician surprisingly realized that even if we had a level 'highest', it would be illegal to carry loaded hand gun or rifle when doing service outside bases. It means that even level high it would be ok to crush someone's house with a tank or cannon but still not use a hand gun or rifle.

Of course the laws changed quickly. I'd like to think it is the same with Germany.

No conspiracies. Although there are so many negative news about union today, i'd like to think it still goes ok and about 90% of all Europeans supporting it. This is based on my own experiences.
Small minorities like right wingers are just what they are: small minorities, but they are good in making big noise. Even they can't stop the wheel from turning, specially when majority of the people do support it.
Back here those right wing nut parties are commonly called (even in the news) as 'true asses'.

Not anything to get excited about, they are just modifying their constitution to be in line with what other countries have. The post war constitution put a lot of restrictions in place that other independent countries do not have. When Trudeau declared the war measures act in Canada during the FLQ crisis the army turned out in Quebec with loaded guns. If Germany had not altered their constitution they would not be able to do what Trudeau did in October of 1970. They are over 40 years late catching up with the rest of us.

Bob

I'd wager the thing Germany is preparing for is more crappy, fear-driven politics. There's probably an election looming...

Now if they'd passed a law so that the army can use weapons on people who think the way to control the population is through fear and misinformation, maybe they'd be onto a winner!

James.

This worries me more




Wednesday, August 15, 2012

First it was the Department of Homeland Security, then it was the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and now the Social Security Administration is set to purchase 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets that will be delivered to 41 locations across the country.



A solicitation posted by the SSA on the FedBizOpps website asks for contractors to supply 174,000 rounds of “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition.”

An online ammunition retailer describes the bullets as suitable “for peak performance rivaling and sometimes surpassing handloads in many guns,” noting that the ammo is “a great personal defense bullet.”

The synopsis to the solicitation adds that the ammunition is to be shipped to 41 locations within 60 days of purchase. A separate spreadsheet lists those locations, which include the Social Security headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland as well as major cities across the country including Los Angeles, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Denver, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle.

Hollow point bullets are designed to expand as they enter the body, causing maximum damage by tearing apart internal organs.


Zombie Old Farts ?????


and this


Wednesday, August 15, 2012



The Department of Homeland Security has redacted information relating to the quantity of bullets it is buying following a controversy concerning the agency’s purchase of over a billion rounds of ammo, which many fear is a sign the federal government is preparing for civil unrest in the United States.



Despite the fact that documents are only supposed to be redacted if authorized by Congress or for national security reasons, a solicitation posted on the FedBizOpps website yesterday concerning ammunition purchases made by the DHS on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) contains numerous blacked out sections.

The classified portions of the document include references to the amount of 223 62 and 223 64 grain ammunition being purchased.

The solicitation explains how the contract put out by the DHS to purchase the ammunition was not subject to “full and open competition,” a process justified by what the DHS claims was an “unusual and compelling urgency” to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation which could cause “substantial safety issues for the government” should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.

The Department of Homeland Security’s decision to black out sections of the document, including the number of bullets being purchased, is likely to be related to a massive controversy which has snowballed over the last few weeks pertaining to concerns as to why the federal agency has purchased well over a billion rounds of bullets over the last 6 months alone.

The DHS’ decision back in March to purchase of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage prompted questions as to why the federal agency required such powerful bullets and in such large quantities merely for training purposes.

This was followed up by a more recent order for a further 750 million rounds of assorted ammunition, including bullets that can penetrate walls.

Given the fact that the DHS is also acquiring riot gear in preparation for civil unrest which could take place at the upcoming DNC, RNC and presidential inauguration, the purchase of ammunition in such massive numbers has stoked fears that the federal government could be preparing to use force against the American people.


Zombie Voters ????

All I want to know is if they come and "disappear" Joed in the middle of the night .... or whenever ..... can I have his razors ???

Glen --
Do I smell another "sell guns in Mexico" cabal brewing? Are the DHS, SSA and NOAA so fearful of the citizenry??? Whatever happened to "transparency in gov't.?

Call me dumb, but I am not too sure I understand your concerns Glen. American governmental agency's buying large amounts of ammo isn't anything new... is it?

Originally Posted by earcutter

Call me dumb, but I am not too sure I understand your concerns Glen. American governmental agency's buying large amounts of ammo isn't anything new... is it?

Actually I don't know it could be normal, and it is just that we have more access to more info now-a-days