Thread: Separation of Church and...

Originally Posted by maddafinga

I had a bit of a bite in my snark there which was probably toeing over the line. Sorry about that.

I didn't mean to offend, honestly.

Without belief in a higher power, I wonder what basis there is for forgiveness, or guilt.

Yeah I deleted it exactly for that reason! lol

I never intended to imply anything. I promise. I'm no good at talking without inflection it seems.

I thought about that post, and was thinking, I bet I changed the whole meaning of the thing by putting the word Christian in there.

I was just saying that prayer isn't the answer to the worlds ills. And I do think it's a silly supposition to think that prayer would fix anything. But I don't think it's wrong to have faith in prayer. I just don't think it's purpose is to ask for relief.

Originally Posted by honedright

Without belief in a higher power, I wonder what basis there is for forgiveness, or guilt.

So you're saying that if there were no god at all, you would be incapable of forgiving anybody anything or feeling any guilt at all?

Originally Posted by honedright

Without belief in a higher power, I wonder what basis there is for forgiveness, or guilt.

Economists call it the Social Contract - Social contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by regularjoe

Yeah I deleted it exactly for that reason! lol

I never intended to imply anything. I promise. I'm no good at talking without inflection it seems.

I thought about that post, and was thinking, I bet I changed the whole meaning of the thing by putting the word Christian in there.

I was just saying that prayer isn't the answer to the worlds ills. And I do think it's a silly supposition to think that prayer would fix anything. But I don't think it's wrong to have faith in prayer. I just don't think it's purpose is to ask for relief.

It has been proven that prayer has powers science can't answer. I "think" prayer is a good thing Joe.

If you believe in Jung and his universal subconsciousness - it would make sense! If one does't want to attribute it to a God.

Ok, well I kinda have it figured out I guess why he shouldn't make a commercial and invite people to a religious function, thanks to Cangooner. But, I still don't totally get why it's such a violation on the rest of us. We all make our own decisions about how to react to something based on the evidence presented. Our exchange being a prime example. I meant this, you read it as that, and the whole thing went south. But if instead, I had said "this" in a better way, then maybe you wouldn't have read it as "that", and your reaction, or response would have been different.

So I guess for you, it's an outright insult that a Governor would do this thing. While for me, it doesn't seem nearly as terrible as say, selling your Senate seat for supporters. One shows some faith, while the other shows a lack of morality. I just think there's worse things to be upset about I guess.

And I stil don't think he represents you all. Because if I accepted the notion that the Governor represented the people...I'd be in jail too.

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Originally Posted by regularjoe

And I stil don't think he represents you all. Because if I accepted the notion that the Governor represented the people...I'd be in jail too.

Rod Blagojevich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Boy that guy was an unbelievable tool wasn't he!

Originally Posted by regularjoe

Ok, well I kinda have it figured out I guess why he shouldn't make a commercial and invite people to a religious function, thanks to Cangooner. But, I still don't totally get why it's such a violation on the rest of us. We all make our own decisions about how to react to something based on the evidence presented. Our exchange being a prime example. I meant this, you read it as that, and the whole thing went south. But if instead, I had said "this" in a better way, then maybe you wouldn't have read it as "that", and your reaction, or response would have been different.

So I guess for you, it's an outright insult that a Governor would do this thing. While for me, it doesn't seem nearly as terrible as say, selling your Senate seat for supporters. One shows some faith, while the other shows a lack of morality. I just think there's worse things to be upset about I guess.

Ok so one last ditch attempt at it then "from my point of view."

I personally think that America is a much better place than many others because we work very hard at not including religion into our politics. I stand by that belief to the point that I would die for that freedom.

Imagine how very hard it would be for you living in Saudi Arabia where they have roads for the likes of you and roads for others. With Sharia Law incorporated into their constitution, sure they have a moral back-bone but one that doesn't allow for thought and/or equality.

America is the better system - and the one that see's people flocking to its shores because of it. The only reason you go to Saudi is to make money or visit Mecca.

Originally Posted by honedright

Without belief in a higher power, I wonder what basis there is for forgiveness, or guilt.

Religion in any higher power isn't necessary for man to have moral compass.
In other words: being in faith doesn't make bad man any better nor being without faith doesn't make good man worse.
You either have the moral compass or not.

There's a lot of bad things done in the name of (this or that) God. Of course there's a lot of good things done also.