Thread: Assault weopen carnage agian?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I find it quite humorus that you guys just can't seem to understand Our American rights,, just like I explained to Sailor I doubt you ever will or even can comprehend how ingrained our Rights our to us..
To us it is an alien concept that you even question it...

We have the Right to defend ourselves, in this country we have the the right to do so with a gun. as long as we retain our rights...
Until the Bill of Rights is overturned that is the way it is, trying to overturn that right or any other could very well split this country into pieces... or worse

I have begun to understand this. What Americans don't really follow though, is that you still don't have the right to kill someone.
There is something uncivilized about that concept. Every single conversation I have had with an American either in person, or on here, regarding the right to defend yourself using guns ... has ended with the American basically saying they have to do that because the country is in ruins.
Doesn't that just make you think you need to get rid of those sorry excuse of leaders? I would never arm myself against another human.
Against animals, say if I lived in BFE, or the plains in Alaska, yes I would arm myself because I am not going down to a bear.
A human is another matter, I would rather die than kill, and it saddens me that others don't feel the same.
As in the other thread, where I stated I believe proficiency in self defense is better than using a firearm, I stand by that firmly.
Take away firearms and firearms related crime will drop to almost nil. Until that is understood and adopted nothing will change.
Would you guys who have guns give them up to never have this happen again? I would give anything to prevent these atrocities.
To those who talk about bombs etc, a bomb large enough to kill 20 people would probably be spotted in the making
Somebody would have to buy a lot of "odd" things that would raise an alarm, also they have to make it, which could see the end of them too.
To Glen, Just because your rights are deeply ingrained, that doesn't mean changing them isn't a good thing. It means you will fight to keep them.
Good luck with that because eventually, if this sort of thing keeps happening, they will be changed. Eventually someone with some sense will preside over the USA and define what the right to bear arms actually means in a modern era. The bill of rights is something that really needs looking at by the politicians, and the people of America. Things change, Britain is no longer going to take the USA ... The bill of rights needs amending.

If you have the right to bear arms and create a militia, only the militia should be allowed to bear arms, they should be regulated and everybody should know who those people are.

To the people who say something along the lines of "well the killer broke the rules already, more rules won't help".
Criminalize guns. There is a long list of people who own them, where they live, the Gov't could find the firearms owners, and give them a period of grace to disarm themselves before they became fugitives. If what you say is true you would all follow the laws and give your firearms up anyway, no problem. Then the budget for the police could be shifted towards changing the philosophy of the broken part of society. There would be excess budget after firearms was criminalized since there would be lower crime rates after the initial spike.

To everybody who says this is a pipe dream or words to that effect just take a look at the UK. This was achieved. Atrocities like this happen rarely. The last being (if I am correct) the 80's.

If I made spelling errors etc, I apologise, I am tired.

Originally Posted by NoseWarmer

Did you say "self protection"? I think alot of people miss that... I have the RIGHT to protect MYSELF and OTHERS in harms way!

Yes. And gun controllers don't want certain people they deem inferior to have guns. Hence the attack and demonization of cheap firearms back in the day.

Originally Posted by scap99

Rights are granted by the Creator. Not subject to the whims of current political landscape, be it war or otherwise.

I've been following all the back and forth...as I'm somewhere in the middle on this debate and not certain enough in how i feel to subject you guys to my internal debate...but this was the first comment to really stump me considering the context of the conversation

Originally Posted by ryanjewell

I've been following all the back and forth...as I'm somewhere in the middle on this debate and not certain enough in how i feel to subject you guys to my internal debate...but this was the first comment to really stump me considering the context of the conversation

I was responding to Proximus, who implied rights were dynamic rather than static.

Well if I apply your logic this guy use his rights 26 times. Since 20 was not enough he keep going... I guess he is also part of your statement. Correct? He is not different from anyone else who born with right....

Originally Posted by scap99

I was responding to Proximus, who implied rights were dynamic rather than static.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

When they Gave you that right they where using Flint locks i believe.

We are all born with the right to defend ourselves.
No matter the tool of the day.

Originally Posted by scap99

We are all born with the right to defend ourselves.
No matter the tool of the day.

Its a sad state of affairs if you have to defend yourself in your own Country.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Its a sad state of affairs if you have to defend yourself in your own Country.

I guess we should close the borders... keep some of the population down...

Originally Posted by scap99

We are all born with the right to defend ourselves.
No matter the tool of the day.

I think I said that too...

Originally Posted by scap99

I was responding to Proximus, who implied rights were dynamic rather than static.

Ha, sorry...that makes more sense...