Thread: E-cigarettes

Has anyone out there joined CASAA? Some politicians are trying to get the government to ban the use of e-cigs & the liquids as some of you might know. I saw this when I went into the Vape store down the street to buy my liquids one day & so I joined & have been keeping up with it & signing petitions & such. Just Google CASAA & you can see from there & sign the petitions & take any surveys you can. I meant to post this when I first found out about this a few weeks ago.

Originally Posted by engine46

Has anyone out there joined CASAA? Some politicians are trying to get the government to ban the use of e-cigs & the liquids as some of you might know. I saw this when I went into the Vape store down the street to buy my liquids one day & so I joined & have been keeping up with it & signing petitions & such. Just Google CASAA & you can see from there & sign the petitions & take any surveys you can. I meant to post this when I first found out about this a few weeks ago.

Gotta laugh, they treat e-cigs just like the real thing and when you average the cost out it cost the same. And now you can't vspe in public.

I have joined and done a bunch of surveys and such. Have wrote a couple things for them as well. I think that their rules are going to go through. The government wants their money and see this as an untapped market. It could make an illegal market like current drugs. More likely, it will just create a monopoly with Dura smoke as the only major company that can afford those major fees. It will probably push hobbyists such as myself into lower resistance and higher nic so that it is simply a means to support the habit than something fun to play around with.

This leads me to my new purchase. I bought the JUUL system yesterday for $50. Pretty reasonable price, nice flavor in the tobacco and mint cartridges. What's interesting is that it is 5% nicotine, versus my usual 0.6% in my more powerful and bulkier devices. However, there is more throat hit but less than expected. The place that I buy my juice can't keep these on the shelves. If this company can live through the regulations, it will probably be my go to device, with a couple "if's". Current cartridges are ~$17-$18 per 5 pack from my store. I estimate I could go through 1 to 2 per day if I rely only on this device. IF the company lives, IF they won't end up costing me an arm and a leg to continue.

Or, I'll end up just purchasing the nicotine replacement pills and use them. They're minty, small and work well as long as you don't drink anything with them. Takes a bit to get a fix. I usually rub the mint over my cheek with my tongue to jump start it. Like slurrying with nicotine! As far as the drinking (anything, even water), ever had too much nicotine in the stomach? Not. Recommended. Oddest nausea sensation I have ever had.

I have signed the petition & filled out surveys for it. one thing I stress about them is that you don't get the tar like from a cigarette plus you don't burn clothing or burn to death if falling asleep with one which has happened thousands of times. I knew someone at one time & he burned to death when he fell asleep smoking a cigarette.

Originally Posted by engine46

I have signed the petition & filled out surveys for it. one thing I stress about them is that you don't get the tar like from a cigarette plus you don't burn clothing or burn to death if falling asleep with one which has happened thousands of times. I knew someone at one time & he burned to death when he fell asleep smoking a cigarette.

To be fair, we're still equaling nicotinehttp://www.tobacco.ucsf.edu/new-study-shows-e-cig-users-exhale-nicotine-and-fine-particles-air-where-bystanders-are-breathing

Well, not every e-cig/vape user uses nicotine either. I know many that only use a flavored juice. As for me, I quit smoking a few years before e-cigs came out. Never got into vaping or what have you.

And while I don't particularly appreciate the vapor being blown into my face, it's also not that hard to step back and get out of range of these things. And I don't particularly want government regulating them. They get enough money as is, the product with or without nicotine is far more harmless than cigarettes, and they really don't need to create a monopoly on something that is currently fostering many small start up companies. It isn't going to do anyone any good to get those companies shut down, and it isn't going to do smokers that are using these to quit any favors either.

And people shouldn't blow vape in anyones' face. That's just common courtesy, even for analog smokers. I go to a bar that allows vaping, but that's because those of us that do vape are courteous and don't vape around people that are eating and make sure to exhale away from non-vapers.

Originally Posted by engine46

Has anyone out there joined CASAA? Some politicians are trying to get the government to ban the use of e-cigs & the liquids as some of you might know. I saw this when I went into the Vape store down the street to buy my liquids one day & so I joined & have been keeping up with it & signing petitions & such. Just Google CASAA & you can see from there & sign the petitions & take any surveys you can. I meant to post this when I first found out about this a few weeks ago.

The gov't is likely to side with them because, as I understand it, they don't levy the same tax on e-cig products like tobacco. The amount of money the gov't collects in tobacco tax would have to be made up somewhere. The constant demonizing of tobacco is the justification to raise taxes on it. If these products tap into the tobacco market too much its simply lost tax revenue.

"Taxation is unique because it is an area in which the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has no regulatory authority so, unless Congress were to act, the taxation of e-cigarettes is solely in the domain of states and, where allowed by state law, local governments. Because every state’s tax
code is different, it is essential to work with an attorney who is familiar with your jurisdiction’s tax code to ensure that any tax is appropriately tailored to meet your policy needs. In other words, there is no one-size-fits-all approach in this complicated policy area. This fact sheet answers a few of the most frequently asked questions about taxing e-cigarettes and related products."

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

The gov't is likely to side with them because, as I understand it, they don't levy the same tax on e-cig products like tobacco. The amount of money the gov't collects in tobacco tax would have to be made up somewhere. The constant demonizing of tobacco is the justification to raise taxes on it. If these products tap into the tobacco market too much its simply lost tax revenue.

"Taxation is unique because it is an area in which the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has no regulatory authority so, unless Congress were to act, the taxation of e-cigarettes is solely in the domain of states and, where allowed by state law, local governments. Because every state’s tax
code is different, it is essential to work with an attorney who is familiar with your jurisdiction’s tax code to ensure that any tax is appropriately tailored to meet your policy needs. In other words, there is no one-size-fits-all approach in this complicated policy area. This fact sheet answers a few of the most frequently asked questions about taxing e-cigarettes and related products."

I agree with ya there. I think it is tobacco companies paying off politicians to start a big stink like they always do. Some of them get paid off to try to start some bill which will most likely never get passed...........

Originally Posted by dinnermint

And people shouldn't blow vape in anyones' face. That's just common courtesy, even for analog smokers. I go to a bar that allows vaping, but that's because those of us that do vape are courteous and don't vape around people that are eating and make sure to exhale away from non-vapers.

Agreed. The problem (mostly) occurs with youngins that never smoked cigarettes. They think* it's ok, because 'it's just harmless vapor.' I'm more than happy to inform them they're wrong.

Honestly, the government shot themselves in the foot with tobacco tax revenues. Even before e-cigs, smoking was on the decline. Many in my generation were quitting, and the following generation wasn't picking them up. Too many bans on smoking any and everywhere, and preventing the companies from running ads at all just took it's toll. And I may be crazy, but modern tobacco neither smells nor tastes like it used to. Not sure if that's just my taste pallette changing, or if there's actually a difference in the product's flavor profile. I used to like the flavor and scent, but now there's nothing pleasant about it.