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    I don't own a kilt, but I do have a neck tie with the macfarlane colors.

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    Thats a fine leather belt that Spike is wearing there.

    If only we could get someone who made leatherwork with such care to start making strops too.....

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    my understanding is that the irish did not traditionally wear kilts correct? some sort of toga type thing instead? I have a bit of irish in the blood and threaten the ladies that when it is hot in the summer I'm going to wear a kilt since they get their skirts, but sinc ethe irish didn't really wear them......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Red View Post
    my understanding is that the irish did not traditionally wear kilts correct? some sort of toga type thing instead? I have a bit of irish in the blood and threaten the ladies that when it is hot in the summer I'm going to wear a kilt since they get their skirts, but sinc ethe irish didn't really wear them......

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    Kilt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hope that helps

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    Hello all,

    I have read this thread with great interest and I am sorry for bringing it up again. But seeing as it is well rated I dont think too many would mind.

    I would like to add my two cents and fix some serious misconceptions about the kilt.

    1) You have to have Scottish heritage/blood to wear the kilt; This statement is totally wrong and false first of all the scots are NOT a race of people. They are not defined as a race of people through anthropology, european statute or british and scots law. The scots are racially northern european caucasian. They are seperated like all northern european nations by community, culture and nationality not race. This definition includes irish, english etc.

    There is very little differance between is genetically. The scots are not defined by blood they are defined as a culture and a people, if your ancestors were scots you dont have scottish blood you could argue you have northern european caucasian blood.

    I have witnessed americans and canadians say that you have to have scots blood, this is nonsense canadians and americans with scottish ancestors are not scottish, that does not make them scottish and they have no more rights over the kilt than anyone else. The kilt should be worn by everyone and anyone who wants to wear it regardless of culture, race or nationality.

    2) The celts wore kilts, This is complete nonsence and I dont know hwo this keeps getting around. The celts NEVER wore kilts and the kilt is NOT celtic form of dress. The celts were widely documented and ONLY documented as wearing trousers and sometimes with a cloak.

    The kilts was developed in the scottish highlands in the 16th century by the scottish gaels. The irish, welsh, cornish etc. etc. never wore kilts though they are welcome to now.

    3) An englishman called Thomas rawlson develoepd the short kilt, The short kilt was developed by the scots regiments of the british army (Black watch) in order to attract highlanders to join their ranks and police the highlands. The thomas rawlson argument was debunked as hearsay from a letter he wrote their is no factual evidence he developed the short kilt.

    5) Clans have their own tartan, This was devloped after the clan system had died by the victorian romantic ideals of scotland that was influenced by the writings of walter scot.

    Previously clans wore what ever tartan was available from their weavers. Some clans may have went to the same weaver and thus had the same tartan.

    I though I would just clear that up

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    Wow! That makes for a great read. Alot of info there. And since it is your first post i'd also like to say welcome to SRP! One observations though. You dont mention any of your sources at all. Not one. So I wonder what you are basing your post on. That said you certainly seem to have a passion for the subject judging by the way you write.

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    Thanks very much for the welcome.

    I am an LLB Law student at Edinburgh University as part of my dissertation I had to research definitions of race, ethnicity. I am currently writing my dissertation on employment law. My lecturer told me how the scots and other european nationalities fitted into the discrimination act and he verified that they are not a race of people they are a sub group from the northern european caucus ethnic group. An anthropology lecturer at edinburgh explained this to me in further detail. But on the whole It only takes common sense to realise that a group of people united in culture, community and nationality are not a racial group.

    saying the scots, irish and english are differant races is like saying that the arabs from saudi arabia, oman, and the UAE are differant races, they are not they are just differant states and cultures.

    As you are scottish you will no doubt be familiar of the vast cross migrations that have taking place in all european nations that past 1000 years. You will also be aware that the scots are made of of many groups and communities that include irish, anglo, saxon, scandanvian, iberian, etc etc. these groups are not races but merely groups and communities. so to say that you have 'scottish blood because your great - great - greta granny was scottish is mute. there is no such ting as scottish blood because the scots are not a race.

    I have read so many sources on the celts that I cannot pinpoint any particular source a lot of my readings have come from books and conversations with students studying history and celtic culture at uni. But I can assure you that there is NO evidence whatso ever that the celts wore kilts. This is just a huge misconception. I would point you to read any books on the celts or on roman historical documents on the celts t(that verified what they really wore etc.). Glasgow univerity itself has original documents on the subject. However because the celts never wore kilts, this has never even been a subject that celtic historians would ever bring up so it is that complete lack of source, evidence and facts that verify my argument.

    For a source on the history of kilt well I could point you to mathew n.c newsome from the tartans museum in the US who is a verified expert on the history of the kilt. you can type his name and it will appear with many of hiw writings on the subject. But being scottish you relaly wouldnt need to cite this source as I am sure you are aware of the kilt history in scotland.

    Anyway thanks very much for the welcome.
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    Hey,

    I was wondering if Utilikilt is even still in business?

    You go to their website, and if you try to order a kilt, they never have any available, and haven't in months and months?

    Just curious!

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    For an excellant forum for kilts, including utilitkilts etc. go to www.xmarksthescot.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriton View Post
    Hey,

    I was wondering if Utilikilt is even still in business?

    You go to their website, and if you try to order a kilt, they never have any available, and haven't in months and months?

    Just curious!

    K
    Utilikilts is still in business, they just rarely have much in stock since its bought as fast as its produced. If you would like a utilikilt you can call them and order what you like and they will put it in the que and you should get one in around 6 to 8 weeks. We call it the jonesing period.
    Photoguy67

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