Thread: Guns Guns and MORE Guns

Originally Posted by apipeguy

Sold mine many years ago to my son-in-law that couldn’t really afford a new one and he got a very good price, replaced it with a Ruger LCP but I mainly carry a Sig P238 if I only grab a little gun for a quick trip to the hardware store.

The P238 is a great gun. The security lead at our church has one and he let me shoot it. Like a baby 1911 on roller bearings.

My P3AT is my second. My first was all black with the pocket clip. Sold it for what I paid for it after I had it for many years. Guy HAD to have it. He paid my asking price and we were both happy. This one I got off my buddy who has a pawnshop. $170 OTD for it. It's grey and blued. Well one side is blue. The other side of the slide is a dull silver color due to riding against my hip for all these years. I run FMJ ball in it and the spare magazine in my pocket. When I shoot it for practice I use a Lee 102gr. .356 bullet over Bullseye powder.

Every few months I tear it down and get all the lint and denim fuzz out of it and oil/grease it back up and back to action.

Originally Posted by TheGeek

There's been chat on other places I go about cheap guns. Personally I woukd never turn away from a gun, I am a believer that with some effort almost every gun can be functional.

Thoughts?

I agree 100%! A little elbow grease and effort and even the old dogs can be made to run right.

I got a Remington Model 11 many years ago as a basket case. Guy said "I'm only selling this for parts, I don't recommend you shoot it". I paid $60 USD for it and after looking it over, I was shooting it in the next few days. I put $60 more dollars into it and now I shoot it all the time! I had to buy a new friction ring, keeper screw, and a semi fitted buttstock. After tearing it down (it was full of dog hair and quail feathers and years of crud) and cleaning it I was pleased with my handiwork. I fit the stock and put a little linseed oil on it and there it is.

I called Remington and gave them the serial number and they told me it was made in 1914. I think she's got a few more years in her.

I break down my 938 about once a month as well. Especially if i pocket carry much.

Originally Posted by TheGeek

There's been chat on other places I go about cheap guns. Personally I woukd never turn away from a gun, I am a believer that with some effort almost every gun can be functional.

Thoughts?

"Functional", yes. Reliable and precise, well that's a whole different story.

Disarming good people has never made them any safer.

My mother having a revolver and using it on a would-be rapist in 1963 saved not only her life but allowed the birth and life of 12 children, grand children, and great-grandchildren.

She didn't have to fire a shot, seeing that 5 inch long barrel pointed at his face was enough. However, I have often wondered how many women he went on to rape and murder.

Gun owner here too. Carry one or two daily, have used to prevent attacks three times in 21 years so far. Met with force and determination, most bad guys, even en masse, do not want to play such games.

I would figure the sort of man that would use a straight razor would be the sort of man that would own guns or at least support the practice.

Originally Posted by EMC45

The P238 is a great gun. The security lead at our church has one and he let me shoot it. Like a baby 1911 on roller bearings.

I keep a p238 in my truck bag. It's technically the wife's gun but I'm certain she's never actually carried it. Getting her to carry is one of those things that just won't happen. A P3AT or LCP might actually do it. Her biggest complaint is the weight it adds to her purse.

Originally Posted by TheGeek

There's been chat on other places I go about cheap guns. Personally I woukd never turn away from a gun, I am a believer that with some effort almost every gun can be functional.

Thoughts?

I worked in a LGS for a few years and there are several guns that made me cringe. Most around the $200-250 mark BNIB. The Taurus PT111/Millenium G2 was one of those guns that I wouldn't trust my life with. I'd accept it if it was given to me, but it would probably get thrown in a glove box and forgotten about. I can actually drop the magazine using my trigger finger, have had magazines drop free due to recoil and had trigger safeties fail.The SCCY CPX-2 was another one that I hated selling. They seemed to be reliable enough...but had the ergonomics of a brick and weren't pleasant to shoot. I saw a some pretty gnarly slide bite from those as well.

On the other side of the coin, Rock River/Armscorr make very nice 1911s for the money. Their 2011 stands out for me. I've seen a guy shoot circles around people with STIs with one of those (heavily modified, of course, but the cost of admission is a huge bonus).

Originally Posted by orestes85

I keep a p238 in my truck bag. It's technically the wife's gun but I'm certain she's never actually carried it. Getting her to carry is one of those things that just won't happen. A P3AT or LCP might actually do it. Her biggest complaint is the weight it adds to her purse.

Off body carry (such as a purse) are not good choices to keep lethal weapons. There are on-body carry options for women but the main thing is, the woman must be dedicated to protecting herself. Most men that CCW are not that dedicated.....at least not all the time.

Get her one of those small weapons and see if she can shoot it well. Generally, anything less than 9mm Parabellum or .38 SPL is not recommended for self defense but even a .22 LR beats having to use a knife. On the belt, even a heavy 1911 is completely manageable so you know a P3AT would be. I've carried a S&W Airweight for three years now and I don't even know it's there.....reload included.

My current GF cannot get a CCW yet (not a US citizen) but she seems to be 100% pro gun and pro self defense.....I wouldn't have dated her this long if she was anything less.

Originally Posted by orestes85

I keep a p238 in my truck bag. It's technically the wife's gun but I'm certain she's never actually carried it. Getting her to carry is one of those things that just won't happen. A P3AT or LCP might actually do it. Her biggest complaint is the weight it adds to her purse.

The only issue with the LCP or P3AT is that they kick like a mule. The weight does make them disappear in the pocket. I do at times carry my LCP in the summer with shorts but when a mouse gun is carried I do prefer the P238.

With guns you can have 2 of 3 and only 2 of three: small,light, and easy to shoot.

Teach your wife to shoot and she'll get over the recoil. Carry guns are meant to be carried often and shot little. When the bad guy is trying to hurt her, she won't notice the recoil.

A heavier gun shoots easier but it's heavier. Proper belt holsters handle the weight but require a dedicated person. For some reason, most people require either being assaulted themselves or seeing it happen to someone they know before they become dedicated to protecting themselves.