Thread: How many people CCW here?

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

The point is to Kill, not to injure, if you injure you stand a good chance of getting killed in return ,good luck on your program,hope our paths never cross.

The point would be to stop an attacker. Stop is not defined by killing. Not sure if I am reading this correct so to clarify. Are you against the idea of armed citizens?

Originally Posted by Endofab

The point would be to stop an attacker. Stop is not defined by killing. Not sure if I am reading this correct so to clarify. Are you against the idea of armed citizens?

What's the fastest way to neutralize the threat if they don't stop when you tell them to? Disable their CNS. If you disable their CNS what happens?
They die.

Not saying shot placement will be perfect and some people will be stopped by the pain even if it's not an otherwise disabling shot.

I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

Originally Posted by bharner

What's the fastest way to neutralize the threat if they don't stop when you tell them to? Disable their CNS. If you disable their CNS what happens?
They die.

Not saying shot placement will be perfect and some people will be stopped by the pain even if it's not an otherwise disabling shot.

My point is that if you intend to stop someone from attacking them by shooting them, if you do not kill them but stop them are you going to walk up to the disabled threat and then terminate it? I would hope not because once the threat is disabled then its just that disabled. Now with that being said you are right the quickest way to stop a threat is to stop its means of threatening you which generally means motor skills which the CNS would be effective a large percent of the time.

Now I have never been in a gunfight and as a citizen with no military training I would have to say it would be pretty hard to place a perfect shot in such an incident. This is why you concentrate on center mass as it is the larges target and also houses a lot of vital organs so you are more likely to hit it and also more likely to stop the threat. So if we look at it like this if you have 10 chances at hitting your sure to stop target (quickest way to the CNS=head) and it takes you 9 of them to hit that target then you have a 1% chance of hitting your target their for a 1% chance of stopping it. Now if you have those same 10 shots and it takes you 3 to hit your target, center mass, that means you have a 7% chance of hitting your target and say you miss vital organs 3% of the time you have a 5% chance of stopping your target. I like the 5% chance vs the 1% chance. Now this is not backed by any scientific data just theory.

Originally Posted by Endofab

The point would be to stop an attacker. Stop is not defined by killing. Not sure if I am reading this correct so to clarify. Are you against the idea of armed citizens?

To stop an attacker,in the best possible way is to pop him in the head so he go's down like a rock/for good,perhaps you think shooting an attacker intent on killing you,in the knee is the best defense.
damn right I am against armed citizens,99% of them would not have clue one as to how to protect themselves or there familys.

Smith & wesson 38 sp/ 357 revolver on me at all times, .410 judge on my night stand, and a single shot 20 in the bathroom. a few others hidden around the house. But i'm more paranoid than most...

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

damn right I am against armed citizens,99% of them would not have clue one as to how to protect themselves or there familys.

That being just opinion and not fact. The fact is that armed citizens successfully stop or diffuse dangerous situations every day all over the county. They do not get that much media as the crazies because it does not generate ratings.

I feel safer knowing that like minded citizens are able to arm them selves. You man not agree with it but your country was founded on the right to bear arms although our state denies this fact.

Just a taste of what happens out there.
Police: Ceres homeowner shoots man during robbery attempt | Crime | Turlock News

You might do some research into the training that some go through to help them be prepared for a situation. Not speaking of the basic required stuff as that is mostly out dated. As for myself I plan on taking the basic along with some more advanced training to have the confidence to know what I am doing.

Originally Posted by Endofab

The point would be to stop an attacker. Stop is not defined by killing. Not sure if I am reading this correct so to clarify. Are you against the idea of armed citizens?

There may come a time when shooting to stop may not be an option; when your adversary may be of such magnitude & ferocity that all rounds must be spent on target.

I was faced with this exact life or death decision 5 days ago. I entered the Publics supermarket on Davie Road, during lunch hour. Thank God my son was in school. I approached the bakery section to obtain my fair share of Twinkies. Immediately I see a woman grab the last 5 boxes of Twinkies, leaving the shelf bare. I closed the distance fast, but not fast enough. The woman's eyes caught mine as I stared at the 5 boxes in her cart. The woman was 5'8', a good 320 lbs, sweat rolling down her receding hairline, hair that had defeated generations of curlers & hot irons, she had hair on her cheeks that would chip a W&B full wedge.

I froze for a second, not having felt fear like this since I saw my first shark diving off Miami Beach. She said to me in a deep primal voice, "Don't even think about it B*tch!" My fear suddenly turned to anger & I slid my hand under my t-shirt at 4 o'clock. My G19 was stacked with 16 rounds of Winchester +P+. I knew I would need them all, but I also knew, she could close the distance before I could burn all 16. Fatal penetration was doubtful on this Beast. My chances were 50/50. Do I put her down & go for the box of Twinkies or she puts me down & I end up being somebody's Twinkie, 20 to life.

I slowly backed away, reached with my left hand & grabbed a chocolate strudel cake. I fled to the register.

Carrying concealed & the decisions that have to be made, can be difficult.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

There may come a time when shooting to stop may not be an option; when your adversary may be of such magnitude & ferocity that all rounds must be spent on target.

I was faced with this exact life or death decision 5 days ago. I entered the Publics supermarket on Davie Road, during lunch hour. Thank God my son was in school. I approached the bakery section to obtain my fair share of Twinkies. Immediately I see a woman grab the last 5 boxes of Twinkies, leaving the shelf bare. I closed the distance fast, but not fast enough. The woman's eyes caught mine as I stared at the 5 boxes in her cart. The woman was 5'8', a good 320 lbs, sweat rolling down her receding hairline, hair that had defeated generations of curlers & hot irons, she had hair on her cheeks that would chip a W&B full wedge.

I froze for a second, not having felt fear like this since I saw my first shark diving off Miami Beach. She said to me in a deep primal voice, "Don't even think about it B*tch!" My fear suddenly turned to anger & I slid my hand under my t-shirt at 4 o'clock. My G19 was stacked with 16 rounds of Winchester +P+. I knew I would need them all, but I also knew, she could close the distance before I could burn all 16. Fatal penetration was doubtful on this Beast. My chances were 50/50. Do I put her down & go for the box of Twinkies or she puts me down & I end up being somebody's Twinkie, 20 to life.

I slowly backed away, reached with my left hand & grabbed a chocolate strudel cake. I fled to the register.

Carrying concealed & the decisions that have to be made, can be difficult.

Thanks for the laugh Hirlau. In retrospect those things are going for like $5K a box.. If you find the right lawyer you might be able to just pay him with a couple boxes.. Just a thought.

I live in Canada where the nanny-state government and police don't think we have any reason to carry our "restricted firearms" anywhere. They'd rather we surrender our valuables and even our lives than defend ourselves or our property in any way. We can only transport restricted firearms to the range and back. In order to be in compliance with the firearms act, we must always be carrying our "authorization to transport" and our restricteds must be trigger-locked AND in a locked case. fml