Thread: General Annoyance with people

Rich, What do you expect when TV baby sits and raises the children. Kids know if they dont make it in the real world tax payers will support them, and all we do is tell everyone else in the world how much better we are then them. Not only do we preach to the rest of the world, but then we knock on their front doors to convert them to our way of life.

I love my country and I would die for my values, but maybe thats because I have actually have values. We need to stop telling every other country how to be better and try to rescue our own society and sense of responsibility. If I was in another country with a polite well educated child and a low rate of unemployment, and a sense of personal responsibility, I would be pissed if the US told me they do things better, especially since many of the people preaching this probably never actually have been to the area of the world they are trying to convert.

However, I still wouldnt ever live anywhere else, but that doesnt mean that everywhere else should change for my sake, especially if I am not interested in living there!

Originally Posted by JLStorm

If I was in another country with a polite well educated child and a low rate of unemployment, and a sense of personal responsibility, I would be pissed if the US told me they do things better, especially since many of the people preaching this probably never actually have been to the area of the world they are trying to convert.

That's pretty much how I look at it. Except I don't really get mad. I just kinda chuckle.

Originally Posted by JLStorm

Rich, What do you expect when TV baby sits and raises the children. Kids know if they dont make it in the real world tax payers will support them, and all we do is tell everyone else in the world how much better we are then them.

Oh you said a mouthful there. I agree with you 100% (on the whole thread too) I spent my youth on the corner playing stickball and 57 other games you could play with a Spaldine(sp?) I grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan which was a fairly rough neigborhood but we learned respect for our elders and authority. If I came home and told my mother that the teacher had hit me, she would have first hit me and then asked what I had done wrong. Now these kids are either pampered or sexually abused. Oh well sorry for the ranting...

Originally Posted by RichZ

Oh you said a mouthful there. I agree with you 100% (on the whole thread too) I spent my youth on the corner playing stickball and 57 other games you could play with a Spaldine(sp?) I grew up on the lower east side of Manhattan which was a fairly rough neigborhood but we learned respect for our elders and authority. If I came home and told my mother that the teacher had hit me, she would have first hit me and then asked what I had done wrong. Now these kids are either pampered or sexually abused. Oh well sorry for the ranting...

Thats ok, I heard a kid in a food market tell her mother that if she smacked her she would call protective services and have her arrested...and she was probably all of 9 years old!!! I figured she learned about protective services on some tv show like CSI <vomit> If that was my kid I would have smacked her on principle lol. All of this just makes me appreciate animals more and people less <sigh>

Originally Posted by JLStorm

Thats ok, I heard a kid in a food market tell her mother that if she smacked her she would call protective services and have her arrested...and she was probably all of 9 years old!!! I figured she learned about protective services on some tv show like CSI <vomit> If that was my kid I would have smacked her on principle lol. All of this just makes me appreciate animals more and people less <sigh>

Man I am with you on that. Threatened by my kid, not in this lifetime. My wife used to be a fostercare social worker (Democatic -Liberal ) but I came with her a few times and saw the foster homes ( I was the protection). Let me tell you I wouldn't want to go to one.

Originally Posted by RichZ

Man I am with you on that. Threatened by my kid, not in this lifetime. My wife used to be a fostercare social worker (Democatic -Liberal ) but I came with her a few times and saw the foster homes ( I was the protection). Let me tell you I wouldn't want to go to one.

I always find that when I go over to my parents house to visit and my younger brother and sister (12 and 16) have their little prick friends over, they are quite polite when I take off my jacket and they see my shoulder holster. regardless of my guns or not, I find that just with dogs if you prove the alpha male status quickly they shut up. But I am sure its a whole other ball game when you have kids and dont just visit other peoples children.

Anyway, if the kids are this bad now, I can only imagine when they are adults. I am just waiting for the day I have an executive client wearing their pants down around the knees, a shirt 80 million sizes to big, and a ball cap on backwards

Originally Posted by JLStorm

I always find that when I go over to my parents house to visit and my younger brother and sister (12 and 16) have their little prick friends over, they are quite polite when I take off my jacket and they see my shoulder holster. regardless of my guns or not, I find that just with dogs if you prove the alpha male status quickly they shut up. But I am sure its a whole other ball game when you have kids and dont just visit other peoples children.

Josh,

I find with my kids the alpha male status is also essensial. They realize you don't f#@k with dad. I am a firm believer in spare the rod and spoil the child. I would never beat my kids but I am not apposed to a firm swat on the butt when needed. I however don't have to get there, because as soon as I stand up they run. We had kids later in our marriage and I can see the kids of the soft parents are the ones that have given their parents the grief. I hope my way works out.

PS. I have told my son that the day he comes into my house dressed like that he had better be coming to pick up his belongings.

Originally Posted by RichZ

Josh,

PS. I have told my son that the day he comes into my house dressed like that he had better be coming to pick up his belongings.

Thats great haha. I couldnt agree more!

Originally Posted by RichZ

Josh,

I find with my kids the alpha male status is also essensial. They realize you don't f#@k with dad. I am a firm believer in spare the rod and spoil the child. I would never beat my kids but I am not apposed to a firm swat on the butt when needed. I however don't have to get there, because as soon as I stand up they run. We had kids later in our marriage and I can see the kids of the soft parents are the ones that have given their parents the grief. I hope my way works out.

PS. I have told my son that the day he comes into my house dressed like that he had better be coming to pick up his belongings.

Rich, I treated my kids like that (they are now grown up with kids of their own) and although we had a few 'interesting' moments in the teen years, they have both grown up as well adjusted adults, with a good level-headed view on things (and IMO, nice people to boot).
It was all based on mutual respect. If we had any issues, we would talk it through, and I never pretended just because I was 'Dad' that I had all the answers.
However, they both knew that I held certain viewpoints on things, and that while I was always willing to discuss them and give my reasons, I was not prepared to back down.

I remember my son asking if he could have his ear pierced. I told him he wouldn't be able to stand the pain. "Its alright" he said, "they freeze it"
I said "I dont mean when they put it in, but when I rip it out!"

He never did get his ear pierced. He is now a Policeman.

I'm not into hard-ass parenting. My dad was one of those, sending me into the yard to bring him a stick. I've always resented him for it, was glad when my parents got divorced (when I was 8) and vowed never to raise my kids like that. All the right decisions that I've made came from my mom's and grandparents' upbringing. They trusted me to make the right decisions and I would have REALLY hated to have lost their trust.
Proper upbringing comes from mutual trust and shared moral values. These days parents have to work more and more just to survive. When they get home they're just dead tired and have no energy for anything. The days when families could afford one stay-at-home parent are long-gone. More and more people are unable to establish relationships of trust with their children and instill proper moral values in them.
The kids are left to fend for themselves and the world revolves around "ME." That's how they lose their sense of altruism and civility.
If I ever have kids, I'm moving the family to a small remote community where it's still affordable to have a stay at home parent.