Thread: Two Shapton 8000 Glass Options?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I am going to point out something here OK...

Here is the opening premise of the OP.....

I had an interesting conversation with Harrelson Stanley, who many of you may know already(A big time Shapton Dude for those who don't) and he gave me some information on the glass stones I was unaware of. In our conversation, I told him my some concers I had with the 16000 glass stone, and how while it was great on some A2 steels, I thought it was leaving intermitant deep scratches on razors for it's grit.( I also asked him if I won a 30000 for any reason and just got really quiet) I did not ask him because it functionally was not up to task, but that it did leave stray scratches on the bevel, and I did not believe IMHO that it was cause my abilities getting it to it's potential. Here is what he basically told me(after I had once again asked him if he was sure I did not win the 30000) Harrelson said that the 16000 was not recommended for razors as it was indeed designed for modern steels e.g. A2 and others. That the 16000 was too aggressive for the old carbon steels but the progression should leave out the 16000 all together, even if honing up to 30000. He recommended the Japanese version (glass not pro series, nothing to do with pro series at all) of the 8000 was softer and that was a much better option for razors specifically.


Here is the answer of the busiest Honemiester on here

I am so lost here guys.....

I have used the white Shapton Glass Stones from 220 to 30K on about 2,000 old, new, carbon, stainless and damascus razors and they worked fine.

Then you have me who is probably the number two or three busiest, not sure who hones more either me or Don but both of us use Shaptons...
Saying the exact same thing, Hmmmm wonder what Don would say here too????

If you go back and read most of the Shapton honing threads you are going to find a consensus of most people that use them...Almost everyone using Shapton's consider the 16k to be the best stone of the series so the premise goes against everything that the majority of Shapton users has found to be true when honing RAZORS!!!

So do you see where my problem comes from here ?????

Hi Glen you know i am just funning with you as you sound to be in a tizzy.

I'm not trying to create any chaos as I do not have any sort of 16k hone.

It is probably a difference of technique.

I am unlikely to buy any more Shapton products because as soon as I do they come out with something different and supposedly better.

Originally Posted by tcharah

So do you advise me to buy 16000? I was in the eminence of buying this set of Shapton Glass stones: 1000 (or 2000), 4000, 8000, 16000.. But after reading all this i dont know if i should invest my money in a 16000 (?)
Leon has one and he said to me that is a nice stone to give that "finish" touch to a razor. But i also read in the SRP about members that said the 16000 didn't work on the Le Grelot's for example! They have mentioned that they stoped in the 8000 and the razor was in the best shave ready possible, and if they pass to the 16000 it will ruin it!
Im so confuse! I know that only trying is the best way to know whats best / result for us and the razor - differen't razors, differen't behaviours right? - but its a lot of money..

Perfect example of why I am wary of threads like this...
So who wants to field this question???????

Originally Posted by tcharah

So do you advise me to buy 16000? I was in the eminence of buying this set of Shapton Glass stones: 1000 (or 2000), 4000, 8000, 16000.. But after reading all this i dont know if i should invest my money in a 16000 (?)
Leon has one and he said to me that is a nice stone to give that "finish" touch to a razor. But i also read in the SRP about members that said the 16000 didn't work on the Le Grelot's for example! They have mentioned that they stoped in the 8000 and the razor was in the best shave ready possible, and if they pass to the 16000 it will ruin it!
Im so confuse! I know that only trying is the best way to know whats best / result for us and the razor - differen't razors, differen't behaviours right? - but its a lot of money..

Speaking only for myself, the 1/2/4/8/16k progression
with the (white) Shapton GlassStones works great on
razors of many different varieties: carbon, high carbon,
stainless, NO2 hardened, ATS34... etc.

The 16k specifically leaves a very nice, extremely sharp
edge on all of the razors that I have honed with it.

- Scott

It looks like Harrelson needs to consult with Craftsmanstudio.com on their straight razor set.... it's the 1k, 6k, and 16k....

Shapton Straight Razor Set 1000/6000/16000

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Perfect example of why I am wary of threads like this...
So who wants to field this question???????

I know what you mean Glen. I am at work and we are busy right now so just quick I would answer that question by by telling that fellah to get those glass stones and practice honing and he will be fine with them.

You guys think that Howard and Harrelson are splitting
hairs? Check this out:

Measuring the changing mass of the Z boson



- Scott

Originally Posted by sebell

You guys think that Howard and Harrelson are splitting
hairs? Check this out:

Measuring the changing mass of the Z boson



- Scott

The tides! The tides! I never thought about the moon and the tides during my honing. The mass of my razors and my hones and even my fingers are going to change depending on the time of day and the season. My gosh, what was I thinking trying to hone without taking into account relative mass variations. Every time I think I've figured this honing stuff out you guys come up with new ways to remind me of my infinite ignorance.

Come to think of it, sometimes I hone with tape and the mass of the tape is going to change, and besides, I use black, brown, and red tape and I have no idea what their relative densities are. I'm screwing everything up! Wait a minute, I use distilled water but I have have not been doing regular osmolarity checks on my water! I'm going to have to switch to 18 mega-ohm water, but even then, I'll have to take into account how old the filters are. And dammit, I've never even taken into account the elevation of my house here in Iowa and that has a gravitational impact. Maybe pyramids won't work here in Iowa. What's the elevation of Lynn's house in Ohio? I need a Wiki update NOW!

Ok! Thx for everything! I will take the risk - if there's any at all! With time i will have my own opinion on that 16000 stone..if you see me selling her, well, it could be for a lot of reasons...
I think stones are the new "computers"..you buy one now..and in the next minute the prices are lower..and there's a new and better one, for the same price, available...but both will work just fine..

Originally Posted by tcharah

Ok! Thx for everything! I will take the risk - if there's any at all! With time i will have my own opinion on that 16000 stone..if you see me selling her, well, it could be for a lot of reasons...
I think stones are the new "computers"..you buy one now..and in the next minute the prices are lower..and there's a new and better one, for the same price, available...but both will work just fine..

Yup. My Swatys, coticules, and even my Nortons would agree. A heck of a lot of people are thrilled with the edges off of their Glass 16k's. Odds are good that you will be too.

Originally Posted by Lynn

I am still lost on this recommendation. I have tried this variation a few times and it is extremely unpredictable. I find the key to really getting the 30K to work consistently is using 5-7 strokes (usually under 10 and in a lot of cases sticking with the 5). I know Don likes the backstroke on the 30K but still uses a minimum of strokes too. When I have tried going from the 8K, It has been maybe 20 or 30 strokes and not consistent and a bunch I had to go back to the lower hone on.

Lynn

Lynn,
Are you talking about the Japanese version of the glass Stone? Harrelson said that the scratch depth of the of this Japanese 8000stone is wider on the surface but had less penetration than the 16000. I am so confused at this point that I don;t even know if the new pro line is more or less the same material of this giesha stone that I just dropped a buck on
Mike