Thread: Two Shapton 8000 Glass Options?

Originally Posted by sebell

You guys think that Howard and Harrelson are splitting
hairs? Check this out:

Measuring the changing mass of the Z boson



- Scott

Don't get me started. But someone has to ask the question, WILL IT PUT A BETTER EDGE ON MY RAZOR?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

OK Now you just totally confused me on this whole thread, are you actually trying to say that the errent scratches found in a bevel, although they have no effect whatsoever on the shaving ability of the razor are caused, because the Shapton 16k is not made for razors because Harelson (I have honed 3 razors) Stanley said so...???

I gotta ask??? Have you ever looked at the bevel after you strop on Linen & Leather?????
Or better yet have you looked at the bevel after using a Coticule... or a Japanese natural????
There are these little tiny pieces of grit that roll around on stones that every now and then actually leave a tiny scratch on the bevel...

Better yet why am I even bothering, if Harellson thinks that the 16k GS is no good for razors I guess maybe we should all ask for a refund from Shapton on our stones???? and tell them Harellson sent us????

You guys are confusing me on this one

Glen,
I don't get why you are "now" confused, this was the entire reason I wrote the post. My original post was not to alarm or bring forth any earth shattering (or 16000 glass stone shattering) news. If the shapton company is going to boast of a man engineered product that has a scratch capacity of under a micron, I wanted to know why there were scratches in my bevel that were much bigger than that. In the original post I was not saying you can't get an incredible edge off it, you will. The question is very specific relating to a phenomena that bothered me enough to ask. WHY? Is it contamination? Sorting limitations? Sorry, but the scratches needed to be addressed and Harrelson said what he said and I told you all. Lighten your heart to know that eccentric nuts that frequent this intellectual sharpening medium take the time. Yes most will end up as hot air but in the end you guys working in the field get something once in a while that helps you, because most times you are too busy.
Respectfully,
Michael

Originally Posted by Kingfish

Lynn,
Are you talking about the Japanese version of the glass Stone? Harrelson said that the scratch depth of the of this Japanese 8000stone is wider on the surface but had less penetration than the 16000. I am so confused at this point that I don;t even know if the new pro line is more or less the same material of this giesha stone that I just dropped a buck on
Mike

Huh???? What???? Where????

Uh.......OK, Sure, Fine, You bet, Yeah whatever works, scratch lines......I though all razors came with perfectly polished edges.......swarf building on water.......displacement in a stroke.......hmmmm.........scientifically speaking I would say that based on empirical data, that I have surmised if not pontificated on the subject predominately over a glass of Vodka with a couple of olives and have come to the conclusion that......where was I, oh yeah.......what????

Lynn

Originally Posted by Lynn

Huh???? What???? Where????

Uh.......OK, Sure, Fine, You bet, Yeah whatever works, scratch lines......I though all razors came with perfectly polished edges.......swarf building on water.......displacement in a stroke.......hmmmm.........scientifically speaking I would say that based on empirical data, that I have surmised if not pontificated on the subject predominately over a glass of Vodka with a couple of olives and have come to the conclusion that......where was I, oh yeah.......what????

Lynn

That did it Lynn,
I am going to the vodka bottle. I think my head has too much swarf and the vodka might clear it
M

At this time, I would like to ask someone from Shapton who knows the materials to help clear up this mess. I know getting a scratch left out by 16000 has NOTHING to do with the great advice the leading authorities of modern Straight Shaving have given us regarding how to get the best edge. That is why this is Advanced Honing as it entertains this way out stuff that only very few people wuld fing practical or useful. Sometimes these excercises can help clear up questions, but read and respond at your own risk as it can confuse more than help.
Again, if a Shapton rep does not clear up the confusion regarding the material differences of the glass 8000 Jp and the pro8000 I would vote to torch this thread and sorry for the confusion.
Respectfully Yours,
Mike

I spoke with Tom with Jende Industries concerning this issue, and he had this to say:

"If anything, I see the JP stones eventually replacing the Pro stones, not the glass, but there are no signs of Shapton making other JP stones right now.

IMO, the glass stones are too aggressive for Japanese plane blades, which seems to be the JP stone's intended market. Overall, the glass stones (white) are better suited for straight razors."

So, it appears to me that the JP stones are between the Pro and Glass but only come in 4k & 8K options. So, considering that there isn't a complete "system" of them, and we know that Shaptons don't play as well with other systems as other hones, it would seem pretty clear what the course of action is.

Just my $.02

Originally Posted by richmondesi

I spoke with Tom with Jende Industries concerning this issue, and he had this to say:

"If anything, I see the JP stones eventually replacing the Pro stones, not the glass, but there are no signs of Shapton making other JP stones right now.

IMO, the glass stones are too aggressive for Japanese plane blades, which seems to be the JP stone's intended market. Overall, the glass stones (white) are better suited for straight razors."

So, it appears to me that the JP stones are between the Pro and Glass but only come in 4k & 8K options. So, considering that there isn't a complete "system" of them, and we know that Shaptons don't play as well with other systems as other hones, it would seem pretty clear what the course of action is.

Just my $.02

I could have saved 99.98 if I listened as much as I talk.
There is an even more important lesson in all of this than my original question. I forked out 100 bucks on a stone from the advice of a person who is not specialised in straights. I blame no one but myself. If you want the best information on what works do not ask someone who has not worked and specialised in straight razors unless you like to give away your money.
I know Lynn and others who are the leaders in the specialty of straights have to be getting a chuckle out of this because they went down this road many years ago. I thank all of you for your patience and understanding and even entertaining a concept that you already knew the answer for. I hope you all don't feel like I wasted your time, but like I said there is an even more valuable lesson here.
Cheers,
Michael

PS Kevin, Thanks for that link, 100 dollars does not sound as bad as 9000JpY

Does this mean: I won a free 16K JPgs

Ya_mashi_ta So-sans website has Jp gstones in full spectrum. He also has JP market Pro. maybe the pro varities are the same.

Ya_mashi_ta So-sans website has Jp gstones in full spectrum. He also has JP market Pro. maybe the pro varities are the same.

Could you post a link of that website?
Thanks!

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