Thread: The IXL PIPE Shop

..so Lambert (?) added the dart to the pipe and started to use this Trade Mark.

Originally Posted by AlanII

So probably not a Wolstenholm, hope it still qualifies here. Could only see samples of the publication from the link and not, unfortunately, page 138. Many thanks anyway, hoglahoo.

How strange. I went ahead and downloaded it and will host it myself. So here's another link if you want to try again. The two bits I highlighted were from near the beginning and near the end of the text and are quoted below (from 1889):

An old corporate mark of a tobacco-pipe, with a dart in line with the pipe at the end where the bowl was stamped, was in 1698 granted by the Cutler's Company of Hallamshire to one Bradshaw.

The pipe and dart mark has existed for now close on fifty years [1839-1889]. It has existed side by side with the pipe mark [of Wostenholm]. Both have been put on articles of the same description, to wit, razors. All the evidence is clear that one has not been mistaken for another [until today on SRP, hehe]; and if you add to that the little incident that Mr. Moulton mentioned that the dart itself has been imitated by the rival, it speaks volumes.

[until today on SRP, hehe]

Heh, another great first for SRP, the original and still the best. Thanks again, hoglahoo.

Originally Posted by clavichord

..so Lambert (?) added the dart to the pipe and started to use this Trade Mark.

From what hoglahoo has posted looks more like the maker may have been Ballard, one of George W's Sheffield contemporaries. The Lambert chap sounds like a bit of a later wrong'un (assuming I've got the date correct, I'm not exactly on a roll here so far).

Originally Posted by AlanII

From what hoglahoo has posted looks more like the maker may have been Ballard, one of George W's Sheffield contemporaries. The Lambert chap sounds like a bit of a later wrong'un (assuming I've got the date correct, I'm not exactly on a roll here so far).

It looks like the dart & pipe was originally registered to Bradshaw in 1698. It then expired or was surrendered and reassigned to Thomas Linley, a razor manufacturer, in 1839. George Johnson then bought the mark in 1842; he died, passing it on to his son who sold it to Lambert in 1887.

However the mark was not kept in the Cutler's Company (the english razor guild) beyond 1839 and when Lambert bought the mark in 1887 he attempted to have the mark recognized by the Company and reentered into the books, but George Wostenholme & Sons objected due to its resemblance to its own mark and their assertion that the mark had no legal owner. Wostenholm's appeal was dismissed "with costs"

History is so fun

PS who is Ballard?

Thomas Linley (starting from 1839) > George Johnson (from 1842) > Lambert (from 1887).
With my very short experience in the field, I'd say your razor is pre-1830's.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

History is so fun

PS who is Ballard?

Well quite, that's Ballard spelt Bradshaw. Like I didn't say, I'm on a roll

Again, I really appreciate this, thanks.

Originally Posted by clavichord

Thomas Linley (starting from 1839) > George Johnson (from 1842) > Lambert (from 1887).
With my very short experience in the field, I'd say your razor is pre-1830's.

Ok, I'm an archaeologist, that's close enough:

Fine frameback. The razor marked: "The improved swiss razor, made solely by Geo.Wostenholb&Son."
Etched on the blade: "The Extraordinary Quality of Geo Wostenholm & Son's, Doubly Carbonized I-XL razors has the rendered The Universally Celebrated."

Geo Wostenholm "Peerless" 3 pin scales.