Thread: Strike against Syria

Network - "I'm as mad as hell" speech [english subtitles] - YouTube

But then what ?

Jimbo do you use oil on your coti, cuz I do and maybe that's why we think alike!

Sorry Bill, I don't use oil on my hones. And I'm afraid to say my cotis don't see a lot of use for day to day honing. I think we must just think alike because of our innate intelligence and suave good-looks.

James.

Originally Posted by 10Pups

Network - "I'm as mad as hell" speech [english subtitles] - YouTube

But then what ?

Man, that has to be one of the best monologues in all of film. I'll never forget the first time I saw it.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

You do realize that the US is NOT a democracy right ??? The Constitution protects those "Special Interests" from Majority Rule, your simplistic thoughts of how to fix it all would actually not have a good outcome for Minorities of any kind in the US.. This is from a Constitutional Conservative who is pointing out to you that what you just proposed would roll back Civil Rights to pre 1862 standards !!! SMH..

Yes I do. The USA is a constitutional republic that employs a system of a democracy. I don't recall seeing the words "Special Interests" in the constitution unless there's been a new amendment. I maybe wrong but 218 Yeah's = a majority. Despite my "simplistic thoughts" I'm always willing to learn from those who may have more information. Please enlighten me as to which current civil right was gained without a majority vote that would then be in jeopardy of repeal? You're right to shake your head. The system is broken but not beyond repair. Removing the money and giving the power back to the voters would be a big step forward to ensuring civil rights for everyone.

Originally Posted by 10Pups

I could see where this discussion could quickly become like another banned one. I read some things and bite my finger to keep from typing. I could go on and on about how this guy did that and that guy is ha ha a numbskull. And Bren your right about we have the power and the tools but what is missing ? A leader. A point of focus that the majority of minorities can agree on. I have ideas but then I am in no position to make myself a target right now. Maybe in a year or 2 I will have nothing to loose and then I may be apt to start something. I don't have to lead it but I could get something going that could not be hijacked by the media or a political party. It may sound like a delusion of grandeur but how many times in our history has 1 man made a big impact ? If not me then maybe you or him or a gathering of like minds. It will take somebody to stand on a soap box so people can gather and join in. It will take great thought to start and focus many. Impossible ? NOT ! And there are many brave and not so brave that would love to see a more peaceful and prosperous nation.

Thank you. I don't think your delusional at all. In fact if anyone's been paying attention over the past few years there's been a rather obvious example of how the voters can affect change. The relatively recent advent of the "Tea Party" is a prime example of what can be done through the ballot box. I use them strictly as an example of democracy in action not in support of their agenda. The good news is you don't have to start your own party. In fact that's the last thing you would want to do. You already have a fully functional process to use. Independents. Now before all the negative prognosticators reject this notion as impossible, misdirected, laughable or subversive consider the headlines if say 50 independents won seats in the house during the next mid term elections. Or maybe 100. And don't forget the Senators. Dare I say an independent President in 2016 (going too far right). Imagine the change in attitude from current incumbents. You can just feel the balance shifting to the voters. It's always easier to pronounce why new ideas won't work rather than working to help them succeed.

Originally Posted by bill3152

Jimbo do you use oil on your coti, cuz I do and maybe that's why we think alike!

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Sorry Bill, I don't use oil on my hones. And I'm afraid to say my cotis don't see a lot of use for day to day honing. I think we must just think alike because of our innate intelligence and suave good-looks.

James.

We just went from bombing Syria, to oiling our coti's,,,

Originally Posted by Hirlau

We just went from bombing Syria, to oiling our coti's,,,

Good One!

Different decade but yet somehow appropriate............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WGG4zDbCI

Originally Posted by Jimbo

I have not been following this story or this thread, so please forgive me if I don't know details.

Getting involved in other countries is always fraught with difficulty, as history has shown. I really feel for the US in these situations because, rightly or wrongly, the world looks to them in these kinds of circumstances to at least take the lead.

I think a bigger question than arguing over the evidence or lack thereof of genocide in Syria is why do we all expect the US to go in swinging? Historical precedent? Wanting them to take the fallout?

It would be nice if the rest of the world stopped hiding behind our US cousin's skirts and stepped up if they are really bothered about something. It would send a message that there are some things the entire world think are unacceptable. If we want a better world I think we need to send a united message.

If we are not prepared to do that, then perhaps we really don't care all that much that a government is prepared to kill its own citizens. And if that's the case, then perhaps we deserve the world we've allowed to develop.

James.

I don't think the rest of the world is hiding behind the US, I think the US has just stepped up because that's what the US does the most, assumes control, even if the assumption is wrong. I think the US is wrong for stepping up as fast as they have, due to the lack of 'real' evidence. I have no doubt given time that some 'real' evidence can be fabricated, and indeed, has already started to show up, but it isn't pointing directly to a culprit. Everyone on the world power stage has jumped to the conclusion that Assad is the culprit all the same.


Mick

Originally Posted by MickR

I don't think the rest of the world is hiding behind the US, I think the US has just stepped up because that's what the US does the most, assumes control, even if the assumption is wrong. I think the US is wrong for stepping up as fast as they have, due to the lack of 'real' evidence. I have no doubt given time that some 'real' evidence can be fabricated, and indeed, has already started to show up, but it isn't pointing directly to a culprit. Everyone on the world power stage has jumped to the conclusion that Assad is the culprit all the same.


Mick

At some level i think that what the rest of the world does just doesn't get public interests of the same amount. Guess not many here is even aware of the recent crisis in Mali. It was almost 100% taken care of the France and their legions. UN went there only after the ground had been cleared from extremists. Had the US been there it would have been the front page, both in good and bad. There are so many similar examples from the past years. Howevers, in Mali the world had no moch to gain economically, it was maybe more just to prevent humanitarian crisis grow worse.

Europeans are uniting, reorganizing and strenghtening their armies, little by little. I happen to know it so well. Not to reject USA but to get along on their own. And having a sad tradition of having a war on our own soils for more than 2000 years makes people not so willing to start another with too light or questionable evidence.

In Syria 'the west' is currently acting very wise (imho) giving Syria enough time to back down. Guess nobody wants a full scale war in the middle east. Stability has more economic benefits than chaos. Looking through cynical eyeglasses i would imagine that full scale war in the middle east would be economic nightmare not only for the west, but Russia, Iran and China as well. And basically it's the economy that counts these days with the great power politics.