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    I was amazed by an article in the paper this weekend. The implication was that Democrats are pro amnesty and Republicans are against. I know PLENTY of Democrats who are against giving amnesty to illegals... and some Republicans who are for it.

    I think the the guys in Washington very much need to listen to their constituents and stop all the partisan politicking on this one. Otherwise they may all find themselves looking for work after their next election.

    EVERYONE needs to email their senators and congressman indicating their feelings and directing them to vote for what their constituents want rather than what their political/party coalition wants.

    If you don't know how to contact your representatives, here's a link that lists them all (by state). (Ignore the "conservative" nature of the referenced site... I chose it because of the extensive list, not the political stance of the site!)

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    The immigration bills are coming back to life... here's an interesting viewpoint someone emailed me. I don't know how true his facts are, but it's something to ponder.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

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    Great movie.
    The student population in Los Angeles Unified (LAUSD) is now 73% Hispanic and 9% white. Most of that shift has come in the last 20 years. It was in 1980 that my son was bused 20 miles across town, to achieve racial balance (read black - white). At that time there was talk of breaking up LAUSD and having a separate district in the San Fernando Valley. It never happened because the racial balance in the Valley would have had too many white children.

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    I am not going to comment on the contents of that movie because statistics can prove anything and nothing at the same time.

    But what i found amusing is that there were numerious black / hispanic / chinese? / ... people in the audience, all nodding along. Yes, those troublesome immigrants. they have to be stopped.
    Like a severe case of 'I'm in and now it's time to close the door. What? me? that's totally different...'
    Til shade is gone, til water is gone, Into the shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath.
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    It is dead for this year!!!!!!!!!!

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    We did it!!!!! Congratulations America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    ... those troublesome immigrants. they have to be stopped.
    Like a severe case of 'I'm in and now it's time to close the door. ...
    I took the reaction depicted by most of the people in the audience to be a realization that there is a big economic issue to immigration... not a "whew, glad I got here before they close the door" reaction.

    In a sense, isn't everyone either an immigrant or the descendant of an immigrant, regardless of where you live? Any of those people depicted in the video might have recently immigrated. But if not, for sure (regardless of their color and/or ethnic background) they are the descendant of someone who immigrated, be it tens, hundreds, or thousands of years ago... we don't know.

    An immigrant is simply someone who moves from one geopolitical region to another. The ancestors of the American Indian are thought to have immigrated across the land bridge from Asia circa 10,000BC. Europeans began immigrating to the US in the 16th century. I'm not very familiar with the history of Belgium, but I'd guess that the ancestors of the Celts didn't always live in Belgium... they invaded/immigrated from somewhere else.

    I think the "hot" issue in the USA right now is "illegal" immigration. This video, however, focuses on the longer standing issue of legal immigration and how the number of immigrants could swamp the US economy if not managed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azjoe View Post

    I think the "hot" issue in the USA right now is "illegal" immigration. This video, however, focuses on the longer standing issue of legal immigration and how the number of immigrants could swamp the US economy if not managed.
    The illegal issue is EXACTLY what this thread was discussing. I sort of half-hijacked it by posting that video, but I knew that 1639 was going to fail to achieve cloture so I thought I'd post something to keep the thread alive. LOL.

    That being said, I'm going to step out here and say that the stats from the video include all immigrants, both legal and not so much. If I'm wrong please correct me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonedangerousli View Post
    The illegal issue is EXACTLY what this thread was discussing. I sort of half-hijacked it by posting that video, but I knew that 1639 was going to fail to achieve cloture so I thought I'd post something to keep the thread alive. LOL.

    That being said, I'm going to step out here and say that the stats from the video include all immigrants, both legal and not so much. If I'm wrong please correct me.
    We're not in disagreement... remember, I posted the youtube version of the video before you posted the google version . All I was saying was the video takes it to a higher level.

    I re-watched the video and it's unstated whether it includes the illegals or not. Supposedly the figures are from the census bureau... afaik, they produce an estimate of the number of illegals, and given this video is trying to highlight an alarming situation I'd assume like you that the charts include illegals.

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