Thread: New Immigration bill is TREASON

I have no problem with people immigrating to this country in any amount of numbers but it must be fair across the board. I have heard Scarfaces story many times over and ever time it makes me sick. I had a friend from the Phillipines going through the same thing. What a slap in the face of those who come here by the book. I think the goverment should be sued by all families going through the immigration process legally for discrimination that they didn't come here illegally. If all those here illegally are granted citizenship then those who applied and went through the process in any stage should also be granted immedate citizenship.

Another thing that pisses me off. Right after I got out of the military, I temporarily moved in with my parents. I had only a weeks notice of my departure from the military since the admin guys lost my extenstion. I decided I didn't like where the US was headed and didn't want to serve anymore so the decision to leave after they lost my extension was not hard to make. Upon returning home I figured my skills as a coded boiler welder would land me a decent job. I immediatly went an applied for a job at a place less than 500 yards away hiring welders. I took there little exam and practice welds, or employment welds. I was told by there foreman that he had never seen such good welds in such short time. I then interviewed with the production manager and told that with my expierence, and all ready being coded, I could start at 8.00 dollars an hour and after several years of work could be bumped up to a maximum of 12.00 dollars. I was floored. In chicago and ship yards the starting pay was around 30 for a helper and over 50 for the same quals I had. He then explained to me that the illegals worked so cheap I would have to come down on my expectations or move out of texas. He said he had a barracks on the premises were they stayed and there 8.00 dollar and hours paycheck was also taken out of room and board so there was no use hiring me. He had a goverment contract for building tanks, tankers and other military hardware so I know he based his bid on american wages but was pocketing all the labor costs on the illegals. Pure greed. I wish someone could put that SOB out of business and in jail were he belongs.

Lou,
I feel your pain, my friend....
My family who migrated legally to this country also had such trying times. My father did not see his children or his wife for period of 5years 6months as we waited for our visas to be granted. That is time a kid never gets back to spend with his dad

The immigration laws have been broken for a long time, and I would expect that all those in line for visas would be given those immediately as part of this law.

The reform must tackle the issue of legal and illegal immigration both and I believe that it will. I know way to many in your position, and that is the reason why i feel so passionately about this..

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.

Now I haven't always agreed with out president, I feel he is a little too liberal on some issues but I don't think he has done anything that deserves recall or impeachment. Unless he signs this into law if it makes it through the congress.

The senator sent to Washington over my objections from my district will probably sign it. But he has disgusted me for years.


I heard a comedian say we could solve the Illegal problem best by just issuing hunting licenses for them. When he told the joke I embarrassedly chuckled like everyone else but lately...

Well guys, I'll tell you how it is. I spent over 30 years working as a special agent for the Immigration and Naturalization Service and in the end for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The first thing you have to realize is that its the fat cats and big corporations that run this country. The elections and our reps are just window dressing. We have no representation. The INS was an agency that was created to fail. It was never properly funded or staffed or supported. Just a convenient wipping boy for the Governments mistakes. You see the fat cats who control things want them to stay the way they are because they profit from the status quo.

If you talking seriously about controlling Immigration you first have to control the border. Until you do that its all a waste of time. We had an amnesty bill years ago and that was supposed to control things and they are even worse now. No matter what bill they eventually pass it will be so watered down it will do nothing to control anything and the borders will remain how they are. Unfortunately it will take some terrorist organization smuggling an atomic weapon into this country and killing tens or thousands of people and then they will wake up and seal off all the borders. Its easy to close the barn door after the horse escapes.

As far as the new Immigration agency goes don't expect much from them. It is controlled by Custom's people who have no desire to do Immigration enforcement work at all. When they took over they forced out all the people with Immigration experience.

Remember that when it comes to the workings of our government nothing happens by chance. Everything is controlled and calculated by those who pull the strings in the background. Why should a farmer have to pay $10 an hour or more to have someone pick strawberries when he can pay an illegal less than half that and when payday comes call the authorities to arrest them all? Why should Intel pay an American 100 grand a year for an engineers job when they can bring in someone from India and pay him 40 grand?

This kind of thing is happening all around us and people don't realize it. Its all part of the major changes happening to our society. You hear on news shows how there are more millionaires than ever. What they don't tell you is that for every person who becomes a millionaire hundreds or thousands of americans slip from the middle class into the lower classes. At the rate were going maybe in 50 years or so american's will be crossing the border into mexico to work illegally to obtain the good life. But that will really never happen because mexico has laws to control their Immigration problems and what the laws don't control graft and corruption take care of.

Well said, all of you!

Rick

LOU! LOU ! LOU ! LOU ! LOU !

I knew he would chime in because that is how people who have been involved in immigration (legally) feel about this bullshit.

I may not have thrown a perfectly good beer at a perfectly good TV, especially MY beer at MY TV, but I am outright pissed off over this.

Email you congressissy/bitch and tell them how you feel.

Funny you mention bringing the boy through Mexico Lou.
We were up in MI in the UP and the wife wanted to go see Canada but at that time she was still "NO REENTRY" .
I told he " Gee honey lets go anyway. Even if they stop you on the way back you just go for a walk on the riverbank and we'll come across in the boat and get you."

There are places you can almost throw a rock across the Saint Mary's up there.

I'm so pissed this needs a new sig.

Originally Posted by scarface

George Bush should mow MY lawn...and serve MY food....and wash MY dishes!"

-whatever

-Lou

He WILL be looking for a job soon !!

I said people who have dealt with immigration earlier.

Let me give you a little window into how this crap works.

We had to get PI to write a letter of no objection to get the residency requiremnet waived on my wifes visa.

What does that mean you ask??

It means that before you can even get the ball rolling here you have to deal with PI.

What did they want?? Gee.. not much. bout 2 grand and

Just a few things. She needed a signed notarized letter from EVERY place she had worked in PI stating that she was under no obligation to return and work for them.
Golly that was easy from here.
The student program she was in was closed after 9/11.
We needed a signed notarized letter from the head of the program(who was so far removed from the classes that he had never even heard of her PLUS he no longer worked at the same school) stating that she was in fact a student and the program was in fact canceled and that is why she couldn't complete it.

It was a program that sponsors your citizenship, that's how the immigration stuff got all screwed up to start with.... right.


We had to track this guy down (third party disclosure is a MOTHER) in NC and GO THERE TO GET A LETTER AND GO TO A STATE OFFICE AND HAVE IT AUTHENTICATED!!!(for $50)

There was WAY more stuff but fortunately enough liquor can blur almost any memory.

We then started trying to renew her passport. Still being a citizen of PI she had to deal with their embassy.

I don't know if you caught this from my last rant but she was involved in a fixed marriage before we got together.
She had divorced him (some time before) and now had my last name on all paperwork.

They sent back her new passport with HIS name on it.
I called them up and asked what the deal was. Imagine King of the Hill's neighbor Kahn's voice for the man.

Me " I was calling because somehow my wifes former husband's name got put on her passport"

man " Ok, that name stay on passport, we have record of marriage"

me " Right, but she divorced him and is now married to me. My last name is...."

man " She couldn't marry you."

me " I'm sorry?"

man " She still married to him"

me " No, we included (in triplicate, authenticated at state capital for $50 each)

a copy of the divorce certificate"

man " No divorce"

me " Um... I'm quite sure our lawyer sent the forms. Did you not receive them?"

man "Oh we get them but no divorce"

me " Ok, well what do you mean by no divorce "

man " There no divorce in Phillipines "

me " ok but we are in America "

man " Under Philipine law there no divorce. Not my fault your wife try to break law."

me " I understand that sir but we are in the US now and US laws should apply"

man " then why you still dealing with me smart guy?'

That was when I got mad.

I understand the frustration of those trying to do this by the book.
As soon as multiple countries are involved, everything seems to take time a lot of time.

Me and my (Belgian) wife decided to get married in the US. No problem at all.
Except that the civil servant in our village seemed to be offended that we did not marry in the village hall like every other couple does.
So she did not explain the correct procedure for registering our marriage, and when we returned we did not have all the correct documents.

It took 6 months and half an inch of paperwork that had to be sent back and forth between the Californian depertment of foreign affairs and ourselves.
And that was considered fast, and only possible because we were both Belgians.
I shudder to think what would have happened, had my wife been from thailand or someplace else.

Could part of the problem with illegal immigrants in the US be that 'doing it by the book' takes years, thousands of dollars and buckets of shit poured over your heads? Maybe that is why people choose for illegality.
If those people were legal, they would have to pay taxes, social security, medicare etc... ?

It doesn't matter if it takes too ling. That's just how long it takes.

If anyone really thinks that the gov can implement any of this "reform" other than pure amnesty in less than 18 years they obviously don't know ANYTHING about INS.

Also, like I said, even if they do pay taxes and have 1 kid.

Child= $10,000 year in education costs + $1,000 EIC on taxes.
doing minimum wage jobs just throw on $2000 for medicare

Hmmm... you really think these people are going to pay $13,000 in taxes every year?? "Doing jobs that Americans don't want to do"

Every uneducated immigrant equals a liability to the gov of around $1,000,000 over their lifetime.