Thread: President of the US of A

Originally Posted by ScottGoodman

Are you serious? Do you live on your own island? I'm not going to blame any party as they all are worthless. Race relations are at an all time low since the mid 1900's. The dollar is worth less and less. Healthcare is a sham. The normal family is one parent. Prisons are overcrowded. I can go on and on...

These are not problems from America lacking greatness. The problems you mention are more directly attributed to the rise and influence of progressive policy and big government. This is just more of the same vision that something is wrong with America and therefore America needs to be transformed or fixed. This is the message of the progressive left. The vision of Obama. Haven't we had enough of that?

As far as I can tell, Trump is just proposing more of the same. Same platitudes, same 'solution.'

Maybe a better way to put it is, America is still as great as ever, but she's been infected. Still great, but ill. I don't think Trump nor especially Clinton is the cure.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

You need to be careful who you brand as criminal. If you don't need to be convicted then anyone who does something someone else doesn't like can be branded as having committed "criminal acts" and then of course the whisper campaign starts and the person is forever branded as a criminal regardless of the facts.

You do have a valid point. Labeling someone a criminal/defaming their character based on fabrication is not a good idea. I would consider that "smearing".

My point is criminal activity is criminal activity regardless of the outcome in a court of law. If a drunk driver kills an innocent person and gets off on a technicality, that doesn't mean the act never happened. That also doesn't mean the act wasn't criminal (drunk driving is against the law. It's a criminal act. The drunk driver committed a criminal act).

ChrisL

I hate this thread

Me too, and yet I keep reading it

Originally Posted by honedright

These are not problems from America lacking greatness. The problems you mention are more directly attributed to the rise and influence of progressive policy and big government. This is just more of the same vision that something is wrong with America and therefore America needs to be transformed or fixed. This is the message of the progressive left. The vision of Obama. Haven't we had enough of that?

As far as I can tell, Trump is just proposing more of the same. Same platitudes, same 'solution.'

Maybe a better way to put it is, America is still as great as ever, but she's been infected. Still great, but ill. I don't think Trump nor especially Clinton is the cure.

No its not. When I think of a great America I think of Ronald Regan's terms in office. And I got to tell you the last 2 years under Jimmy Carter felt a lot like right now and that was not good.

Originally Posted by honedright

It's not an intellectual exercise, really... the law, through various codes, plainly defines what is a crime and what are it's elements. It's generally any act of commission or omission in violation of any law that either commands or forbids it, and to which, upon conviction, are prescribed certain penalties including death, imprisonment, fine, removal from office, or disqualification to hold any position of trust, honor, or profit.

Notice that the crime, or criminal wrongdoing, occurs independent of conviction.

As far as branding absent a standard of evidence, well, as someone mentioned, O.J., he must not have engaged in any criminal activity since, apparently, there was insufficient evidence to obtain a conviction. Or was there?

Clinton's case remains to be seen, but she wouldn't be under legal scrutiny unless she were reasonably suspected of at least some form of criminal wrongdoing.

But maybe Clinton has done nothing criminal, instead maybe she is just exceptionally incompetant.

Going out on a limb here - the underlined section is clearly true. After all, she got caught with classified emails on her personal email account. Not just a few, but in the thousands. If stupid were jet fuel, she'd be breaking the sound barrier.

As to the bolded part - it's a point of fact that having those documents on a private email server is a crime. It is also a point of fact that she's guilty as sin. We skewered General Petraeus over mishandling far fewer documents than this.

So why then has nothing really been done, save for congressional hearings ad nauseam? My thoughts on the matter are thus:

Republicans control both houses of the senate because Obama and crew have royally ticked off most of the country. So of course they're going to drag her into as many hearings as they can. Unfortunately when it comes to actually levying charges the responsibility falls to the 'Department of Justice.'

You work at Barack Hussein Obama, and Loretta Lynch's Department of Justice. Would YOU have the cast iron cahones required to scuttle your career by pinning the tail on the Democrat's current presidential front runner? Do you think for one hot second that Loretta Lynch or Obama would let that fly?

Make no mistake about it, if this had cropped up in 2008 she would be in a jail cell, or at least forced to resign. But as of right now the Democrats need her, and they control the DOJ. Bearing in mind that our current president's appointed officials in the IRS were found guilty of using their position to persecute Republican and right leaning entities, do you honestly think the DOJ is going to be impartial and apply the law fairly to the Democrat front runner for the office of President? Or are they going to turn a blind eye and deaf ear to Clinton's wrong-doing in hopes that she wins so Democrats can spend 4 more years pinning the blame on 'obstructionist Republicans' while the country burns because those same Republicans have caved to almost all of their demands?

So Clinton had thousands of classified documents on her private server.

You guys should stop reading the right wing press and get the facts. No classified docs have been found on her server. Some were classified after the fact but that is not a criminal act on her part.

Like I said before just because you guys wish she was guilty of something doesn't make it happen but keep trying I'm sure you'll come up with something racy and if you don't well just keep making it up.

By the way I'm amused with how they are referring to Trumps supporters as Trumpanzees-har har.

One question/explanation I have not seen is how can a Secretary of State do State Business on a personal email server and not have classified material on it?

Originally Posted by jmercer

One question/explanation I have not seen is how can a Secretary of State do State Business on a personal email server and not have classified material on it?

because she had one at the State Dept and that is where she conducted most of the official business. She had the personal one for her convenience. At the time there was no policy against that and others had it to like the Defense Sect Carter.

It's because it's Clinton that the righties are making a deal over it because they are desperate to knock her out. Notice they haven't said anything about Carter.

Originally Posted by Hacker7

No its not. When I think of a great America I think of Ronald Regan's terms in office. And I got to tell you the last 2 years under Jimmy Carter felt a lot like right now and that was not good.

I suppose it all depends on how one defines the greatness of a country.

For instance, do you realize that every human, in every country on earth, has the same basic unalienable rights as those mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution/ Bill of Rights? And that the United States is the first and only country in the history of human governance who's laws specifically recognize, and then protect, for it's citizens, each and every one of those rights, as well as others not mentioned, from governmental infringement? No other country does, or has ever done, that. In fact, most countries today, and all throughout history, have allowed their governments to ignore and blatantly stomp all over their citizen's natural rights, and allow them to exercise only those rights deemed agreeable.

Now, doesn't just that one thing alone make the United States a great country?