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Originally Posted by Jonedangerousli

$100/hr isn't bad to start. Depends on the job though.

Getting a $90+ $/hr reduction would suck pretty bad though.

yeah well what I was saying was that the only right you have here as an employee is the right to quit.

I don't make that much, it was just an example.
I only took a $1.50 pay cut but it still sucks hard.

Well Rich, I HAVE received my pentagon shirt (it came this morning actually with the jacket I forgot I left in A ring lol), I will be leaving for Vegas on Saturday for my conference so if you want me to pass along your resume make sure to send it to me by tomorrow morning. It wouldnt hurt if you send your salary requirements along with it, as they seem to like to see that as well.


P.S. dont even ask...besides its a size medium I doubt it would fit any of you anyway....certainly wont fit me.

I have never heard that phrase before, but doesn't 'Right to work' imply that you have a right to your job?

Most european countries, you cannot get fired without a formal, documented and witnessed history of complaints / bad performance reviews. Only in cases of grave intentional error can you be fired on the spot. And it has to be proven.
It is also not possible for a boss to cut your pay.

In all fairness, a bad apple can abuse the employer for a long time before the employer can really do something about it. Someone who knows all relevant laws (and has no morals) can really be un-fireable for a long time.

EDIT: Btw, medium would be just fine, being 1,76 m and weighing 79 kg

That's right, Bruno.

Job security is much higher in EU. It can be a good or a bad thing, depending on the specific circumstances...

Cheers
Ivo

Originally Posted by Bruno

I have never heard that phrase before, but doesn't 'Right to work' imply that you have a right to your job?

Most european countries, you cannot get fired without a formal, documented and witnessed history of complaints / bad performance reviews. Only in cases of grave intentional error can you be fired on the spot. And it has to be proven.
It is also not possible for a boss to cut your pay.

One day at work (construction) my boss came up to me with this other guy I hadn't seen before.
Boss says to me "Hi, I'd like you to train this guy for the rest of the day"
"OK"
"He is going to be replacing you tomorrow."
"What?"
"He claims he will work for $2 hr less than you."
"No shit."
"Yep, so we're gonna hire him and you can finish the day out training him."
"................."
"Something you want to say?"
"Yeah, eat sh#t and die slow you rotten greedy sumbitch! Train him your goddamn self! I QUIT. You just go ahead and pay me now so I don't have to see your ugly face again !"
" Damn Shaun, I was just jokin, calm down, we aren't replacing you!"
"Damn sure are because I just quit. I was lookin for a job when I found this one!"(one of my favorite sayings)

Well, I quit.
Point was though, he could have done it.

In certain states you can be fired for any or no reason.
You can be a stellar employee and be fired.
What would they fire a stellar employee for?
They aren't required to give a reason here in FL.

I need someone elses opinion on this.

The guy who fired me(CTO) sent me an email yesterday (mind you he is one floor down) and he says he was talking to his friend about me and there was an opening in his friends company and his friend would check out my resume to see if it was a fit for the job. So he was asking me for a copy of my resume.
This confuses the shit out of me. You fire me but want to pass my resume on to a friend? How does that make sense? Any thoughts?

In the USA the "right to work" laws are by state and, in general, simply prevent unions from requiring membership as a condition of employment. This significantly reduces a Union's bargaining power with the business since the business can choose to hire non-union workers if the union members threaten to strike, etc. Slightly under half of the states have enacted right to work laws.

Only 1 of the 3 states in which I've been employed was a right to work state, but none of the 3 had any laws regulating/requiring companies to justify employment termination. Each company is guided by it's own policies (usually negotiated by unions or employee groups) which generally protect workers from being terminated w/o cause, but that's so easy to get around that effectively no one has much protection.

In contrast, I recall one of my business acquaintenes in Argentina spent almost 3-years attempting to terminate an employee for poor performance... eventually he just paid her something like 5-years salary to resign. Apparently Argentina has laws which effectively slmost guarantee employment for life.

Has he been a good boss? Does he respect you? your work? If so give him the resume, can't hurt. you don't have to take the job even if you get an offer. He might have been under a lot of pressure get rid of someone or else.

My wifes boss did the same thing after he was forced to let her go.

Originally Posted by RichZ

I need someone elses opinion on this.

The guy who fired me(CTO) sent me an email yesterday (mind you he is one floor down) and he says he was talking to his friend about me and there was an opening in his friends company and his friend would check out my resume to see if it was a fit for the job. So he was asking me for a copy of my resume.
This confuses the shit out of me. You fire me but want to pass my resume on to a friend? How does that make sense? Any thoughts?

Rich it NEVER hurts to consult an attorney. I used to work at a company and a woman consulted an attorney after her boss spelled her last name wrong on an email (her last name was something like bunt...you can do the math on that one) and she ended up getting a $25,000.00 settlement. Anyway, if you cannot afford an attorney another good option may be a friend who is in a management position at a large company in the same area where you live, often they have to take quite a few classes regarding hiring and firing.

My words probably don't have any weight since I don't have a career. I just have a summer job now (last stretch - 3 more weeks to go). Based on what I've read about getting a good job, I would say do it, but do it carefully. In certain situations passing your resume through a friend can be a good idea because you look highly recommended. However if a former boss who fired you is forwarding your resume, it looks a lot like charity. Kind of like you can't get a job on your own and need some help. From what I've read, if you want jobs to come at you and be successful in interviews, you should make it seem like you're a person in high demand. This means not responding too quickly, and if you do respond, carefully word your reponse so it seems like you have a LOT of options.

Ask him what the job is about and what the company is. You need to do a lot of research on the job, and do it on your own, if you can. Say it sounds interesting and you'll consider it. See if you can, instead, have him introduce you to his friend. Just somehow get it to seem like it's more of a recommendation than charity.

Again, I'm just a kid, so my words would probably be taken lightly. But from what I've read, that's probably your best option.